Someone on TFN has the ICS- extracts, no firepower- spoiler?

[Vympel]

Someone at TF.N has the ICS. Here's some info I've been able to gather:

Table of Contents
Star Destroyer - Venator Class
ARC-170 Fighter
V-Wing Fighter
Jedi Interceptor AKA Anakin's Starfighter
Tri-Fighter
Buzz Droid
Droid Gunship
Invisible Hand (fold out) - with blurbs on the Banking Clan Frigate and Commerce Guild Destroyer
Juggernaut
AT-RT Walker
Utapaun P-38 Fighter
Techno Union Starfighter
Grievous' Wheelbike
Wookiee Catamaran
Palpatine's Shuttle, as seen in the beginning of the trailer
Yoda's Escape Pods

Venator-class Star Destroyer

The Galatic Republic's new Venator-class Star Destroyer is fast enough to chase down blockade runners and big enough to lead independent missions such as the liberation of Utapau. A floatila of these medium-weight, versatile multi-role warships can blast through the shields of a Trade Federation battleship with ease. The hangars of the Venator-class are much larger than older Star Destroyers like the Victory-class, and can support hundreds of fightercraft. The ship is also capable of planetary landings as a military transport and can be an escort for battleships in the Republic's armada. However, the primary function of the Venator-class is its role as a fighting ship and starfighter carrier, making it a firm favorite with Jedi fighter aces.

Stats:
1,137 meters long, 548 m wingspan
max acceleration: 3000 G
hyperdrive class: 1.0
crew: 7400
armament: 8 heavy turbolaser turrets, 2 medium dual turbolaser cannons, 52 point-defense laser cannons, 4 proton torpedo tubes, 6 tractor beam projectors.

Complement: 192 V-Wing fighters, 192 Eta-2 Actis Interceptors, 36 ARC-170 Fighters, 24 military walkers, 40 LAAT/i gunships and misc. shuttles.

Droid Gunship

Ominous in appearance and relentless in battle, the droid gunship is a powerful, well-shielded millile platform. Designed for air strikes within planet atmospheres, it moves at relatively slow speeds and displays average maneuverability, but this is compensated for by its awesome firepower. Two laser cannon turrets can track targets independently, while torpedoes and missiles prove devastating against ground-based installations, attack vehicles and faster short-range targets. The wing modules can carry extra laser cannons, concussion bombs and upgraded targeting scanners. The droid gunship is truly a symbol of Separatist military might.

Stats:
12.3 meters long, 11 meters wide
max acceleration: 100G
max air speed: 14,200 KPH
armament: 14 missiles, 2 laser cannon turrets, 1 medium laser cannon, 2 light laser cannons.

General Grievous' Wheel bike

General Grievous' fearsome reputation as a merciless military leader is reinforced by a personal fleet of specialized killing machines and vehicles. On cavernous Utapau, the cyborg general; drives a wheel bike - a tumbling twin-wheel that surrounds a central motor. Grievous' military vehicle is an offshoot of the Banking Clan's hoop-wheeled Hailfire droids, designed to roll at initmidating speed on hard surfaces. It can also raise itself up on two pairs of legs to walk over the top of battle wrecks and other obstacles. A double laser cannon replaces one side seat and Grievous can wield either a convieniently placed electrostaff, a blaster, or one of his Jedi lightsaber trophies when he rolls into a battle. Flexing claws skirt the wheels to provide a smoother ride, or clutch the ground as climbing teeth. The bike's strong grip allows amazing acrobatics, an ability displayed when Grievous is pursued by Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Grievous' fighter

Although he prefers hand-to-hand combat, General Grievious often flies a battle-worn Belbullab-22 fighter designed by Feethan Ottraw Scalable Assemblies, specialists in self-constructing armaments factories. Made for a living pilot, the hyperdrive-equipped craft is bulkier and hardier than disposable droid fighters. Two main ion drives enable the Belbullab to keep pace with an Utapauan P-38. A rear-mounted thrust-vectoring fin and auxiliary thrusters built into the wings assist with yaw and roll maneuvers. Raoid-firing triple leaser cannons sustain firepower of equivalent destructive force to that of the V-Wing starfighters.

Invisible Hand Stats

length: 1,088 meters
propulsion: 4 Nubian Creveld-4 radial ion drives
max acceleration: 2,500 G
max speed: 2000 KPH
hyperdrive class 1.5
crew: 600 and up to 1.5 million battle droids
armament: 14 quad turbolaser turrets, 34 dual laser cannons, 2 ion cannons, 12 point-defense ion cannons, 102 proton torpedo tubes.
complement: 120 droid tri-fighters, 120 vulture fighters, 160 MTTs, 280 assorted droid armored vehicles.

Commerce Guild Support Destroyer:

Recusant-class light destroyers are mass-produced by zealous workers led by Techno Union foremen, using materials from many Commerce Guild worlds. Since the beginning of the Clone Wars, countless numbers of these support vessels have been built, destroyerd in battle, and replaced. Lone Recusant-class ships often carry out attacks on Loyalist commercial shipping, but their real effectiveness becomes apparent when deployed in large numbers. Four to six can outgun a Venator-class or Victory-class Star Destroyer, but it would take 1,000 Recusant-class ships to take on Kuat Drive Yard's Mandator II Star Dreadnaught.

Stats:
1,187 meters long, 157 meters wide, 163 meters tall
Acceleration: 2,800G
hyperdrive class: 2.0; 30,000 light year effective range
300 crew, up to 40,000 deactivated battle droids
Weapons: 1 prow heavy turbolaser cannon, 4 heavy turbolaser cannons, 6 heavy turbolaser turrets, 5 turbolaser cannons, 30 dual laser cannons, 12 dual light laser cannons, 60 point-defense laser cannons.

Cool- no firepower figures, but meh. Can't wait for the actual book.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Venator-class Star Destroyer

The Galatic Republic's new Venator-class Star Destroyer is fast enough to chase down blockade runners and big enough to lead independent missions such as the liberation of Utapau. A floatila of these medium-weight, versatile multi-role warships can blast through the shields of a Trade Federation battleship with ease. The hangars of the Venator-class are much larger than older Star Destroyers like the Victory-class, and can support hundreds of fightercraft. The ship is also capable of planetary landings as a military transport and can be an escort for battleships in the Republic's armada. However, the primary function of the Venator-class is its role as a fighting ship and starfighter carrier, making it a firm favorite with Jedi fighter aces.

Stats:
1,137 meters long, 548 m wingspan
max acceleration: 3000 G
hyperdrive class: 1.0
crew: 7400
armament: 8 heavy turbolaser turrets, 2 medium dual turbolaser cannons, 52 point-defense laser cannons, 4 proton torpedo tubes, 6 tractor beam projectors.

Complement: 192 V-Wing fighters, 192 Eta-2 Actis Interceptors, 36 ARC-170 Fighters, 24 military walkers, 40 LAAT/i gunships and misc. shuttles.

Wait, why is a dedicated destroyer slower than a troop transport?

Cool- no firepower figures, but meh. Can't wait for the actual book.

It better be good. I only bought the ICS because it had the firepower figures. An ICS without firepower is like spaghetti without sauce

[Elfdart]

Wait, why is a dedicated destroyer slower than a troop transport?

Maybe transports are there to rush troops and equipment about at high speed, like the QE2 did in WW2. The Republic probably built them to get from place to place as quickly as possible to "put out fires".

[Connor MacLeod]

Wait, why is a dedicated destroyer slower than a troop transport?

1.) Destroyers are warships. This means they have to emphasize greater armor and mass (which presumably means a slight trade off in acceleration.)


2.) Destroyers (excluding DDGs which don't count) are primarily defensive/protective in nature, and do not need to manuver/accelerate all that much. Of course, it also has a partial carrier function, ,so its not strictly a "dedicated" destroyer anyhow (if thats in fact what the term "Destroyer" is meant to mean in this instance. (in fact, if it carries hundreds of fighters, it has a far more dedicated carrier function than even an ISD.)

[Connor MacLeod]

I find it amusing that Grievous's flagship is only about a kilometer long in this book, since in LoE its described as "kilometers" long.

[Connor MacLeod]

And assuming this guy on TFN got the spelling and whatnot right (I'm suspicious of this, frankly), they went with the wrong spelling of "Dreadnaught." (not sure it matters much, since "Dreadnaught" can apply to "battleships" as well.)

[Stark]

Well, at least they're not making Venators out to be very impressive. Shame they mentioned VSDs, though

And whats with this planetary landing thing in the prequels?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

So no weapons outputs at all?

*shrugs* Eh, I can live with that. What I'm hoping for is that when they do the ITW months later, they include the locations of the skipped planets on the galactic map from the OT ITW.

[Vympel]

There likely won't be an Episode III ITW. The bastards are releasing an "ultimate" edition of all the ITWs that will include ROTS ITW material- i.e. making us pay for a lot of stuff we already have to get what we don't have.

[vakundok]

Well, at least they're not making Venators out to be very impressive. Shame they mentioned VSDs, though

And whats with this planetary landing thing in the prequels?

Not very impressive? This knife shaped ~1100m long ship has the carrier capability nearly 6 times that of a dedicated 500m long box shaped carrier or a later 1600m not as sleek (so, far larger) ISD, it has nearly the ground compliment of the ISD (at least with the vehicles) (10AT-AT+20AT-ST IIRC) and its main function is a fighting ship/carrier ...
Unless it really sucks as a fighting ship, it makes the ISD a design from a junkyard.

I wonder how the movie will display that 100G acceleration as 'average' maneouverability for an air strike craft ...

[Connor MacLeod]

There likely won't be an Episode III ITW. The bastards are releasing an "ultimate" edition of all the ITWs that will include ROTS ITW material- i.e. making us pay for a lot of stuff we already have to get what we don't have.

You mean like with the "Special editions" of Star Wars, or the DVDs, or..

[Connor MacLeod]

Not very impressive? This knife shaped ~1100m long ship has the carrier capability nearly 6 times that of a dedicated 500m long box shaped carrier or a later 1600m not as sleek (so, far larger) ISD, it has nearly the ground compliment of the ISD (at least with the vehicles) (10AT-AT+20AT-ST IIRC) and its main function is a fighting ship/carrier ...
Unless it really sucks as a fighting ship, it makes the ISD a design from a junkyard.

Especially considering that the Venator appears to have alot more empty space for its dimensions (what with those huge ass parts cut out of the wedge and all and the extra-long" Acclamator engines.) 400 fighters or so seems a bit much (even if these ARE prequel-era "micro fighter" types, especially that new interceptor.) I'm betting its not massing much more than a VSD does.

As for the crew, it has only only about 1/5th the crew of an ISD, its HTLs are almost certainly smaller and less powerful than the ISD HTLs (I estimated them as being no more than 30 meters in diameter, whcih matches up pretty close to the dimensions of the ship) - it also lacks much of the medium batteries of the ISD (and possibly has fewer light guns.)

Also IIRC we don't see an underside bulge from the Venators, so it probably has a smaller reactor than an ISD does (which tends to take up alot of interior space as well.)

Frankly I expect the Venators to have a much shorter operational duration than an ISD as well. And probably less effective at planetary assault/defense (you have acclamators and VSDs for that.)

I wonder how the movie will display that 100G acceleration as 'average' maneouverability for an air strike craft ...

Probably won't display it at at all, would be my guess.

[Vympel]

Remember kiddies, the Imperator and Imperator II (continuing my fine tradition of using non-canon names because they sound better) also don't have just one reactor. They have three.

[Connor MacLeod]

Remember kiddies, the Imperator and Imperator II (continuing my fine tradition of using non-canon names because they sound better) also don't have just one reactor. They have three.

And more and heavier guns. The Venator is positively underarmed for what I was expecting. And there seem to be no mention of those broadside guns (unless those are the point defense lasers, in which case I am EXCEEDINGLY miffed. But I am assuming they aren't.)

[Firefox]

I'm starting to think that the side notch openings don't lead to a through-deck hangar. They seem too wide apart, and sited too far aft (and close to what I presume to be the engineering section) for that to be realistic. Then there's the ventral bay, which seems situated somewhat further forward.

... Although, the Acclamator's boarding ramps were damned close to the engines.

[Vympel]

And more and heavier guns. The Venator is positively underarmed for what I was expecting. And there seem to be no mention of those broadside guns (unless those are the point defense lasers, in which case I am EXCEEDINGLY miffed. But I am assuming they aren't.)

The two medium dual turbolasers it refers to can clearly be seen on the Venator-class model that was shown in the spoiler thread (not the Revell one, I'm talking CGI, presumably from the film now) near the bow, nestled on both port and starboard rim notches. So, they must be the point defense lasers ... why are you exceedingly miffed? Because they'd make a crap point defense due to the restricted field of fire?

There's also no mention of the beam weapon we see in that clip from the Clone Wars Volume One DVD- I find the idea of an SPHA-T nestled in that hangar still rather silly, but there must be something in there firing ...?

[Connor MacLeod]

The two medium dual turbolasers it refers to can clearly be seen on the Venator-class model that was shown in the spoiler thread (not the Revell one, I'm talking CGI, presumably from the film now) near the bow, nestled on both port and starboard rim notches. So, they must be the point defense lasers ... why are you exceedingly miffed? Because they'd make a crap point defense due to the restricted field of fire?

That, their apparent power level, and the fact those bolts "arc" noticably.. (already discussed.) And that the Devastator could have turreted point defense weapons (ANH) yet for some reason this ship can.

Also, why would you use your point defense lasers against a big capital ship? When that ship should be more durably armored than a Acclamator (whcih itself can be "barely scratched" by fusion rockets?)

There's also no mention of the beam weapon we see in that clip from the Clone Wars Volume One DVD- I find the idea of an SPHA-T nestled in that hangar still rather silly, but there must be something in there firing ...?

I find it silly too even if its possible. What's more is that if this Venator is supposed to have such a big "carrier" function, something as absurdly massive as a SPHA-T would interfere with carrier-based functions (so would ventrally mounted guns, but only when firing.)

Of course, we must realize that these DK books are not neccesarily made with full knowledge of what goes on in the movies - sometimes the books will neglect details that show up in the movies. Its quite possible (likely) that the Venator's armament is not completely shown.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Remember kiddies, the Imperator and Imperator II (continuing my fine tradition of using non-canon names because they sound better) also don't have just one reactor. They have three.

The way it looks, it looks like we are going to have to choke down the moronicity that is the Imperial-class. The ITW:SW is the last source that will have the power to change this decision, and I doubt that they'd be changing this one. Might as well start getting used to it...

Imperial-class, Imperial-class, Imperial ... URRGH!

[Connor MacLeod]

Remember kiddies, the Imperator and Imperator II (continuing my fine tradition of using non-canon names because they sound better) also don't have just one reactor. They have three.

The way it looks, it looks like we are going to have to choke down the moronicity that is the Imperial-class. The ITW:SW is the last source that will have the power to change this decision, and I doubt that they'd be changing this one. Might as well start getting used to it...

Imperial-class, Imperial-class, Imperial ... URRGH!

Oh boo-fucking hoo. As if the piddly little name of the Star Destroyer matches up to other ridiculous problems. (like the Incredible Disappearing Astromech Torso with the new droid fighter.)

[FTeik]

Four to six can outgun a Venator-class or Victory-class Star Destroyer, but it would take 1,000 Recusant-class ships to take on Kuat Drive Yard's Mandator II Star Dreadnaught.

I really like this part.

[Chris OFarrell]

Woho! VSD mention! Kickass.

[Murazor]

Four to six can outgun a Venator-class or Victory-class Star Destroyer, but it would take 1,000 Recusant-class ships to take on Kuat Drive Yard's Mandator II Star Dreadnaught.

I really like this part.

Okay....... That would mean that the Mandator has roughly the same firepower of the Executor class, until now stated to be a warship of a size unheard of before the Empire. There is something seriously off about this...

[Connor MacLeod]

Four to six can outgun a Venator-class or Victory-class Star Destroyer, but it would take 1,000 Recusant-class ships to take on Kuat Drive Yard's Mandator II Star Dreadnaught.

I really like this part.

Okay....... That would mean that the Mandator has roughly the same firepower of the Executor class, until now stated to be a warship of a size unheard of before the Empire. There is something seriously off about this...

Not neccesarily. As far as we know the Mandator is a pure battleship, lacking the ground assault and carrier functions an Executor could have. Executors are so large partly because they have to fufill a variety of differnt roles.

Also keep in mind that the Venator/Victory class are far less powerful than an Imperial-Era mile long ISD. And going by this quote, these "Support destroyers" are even more pathetic.

I suspect that given the probable relative capability of a Venator/VSD to an ISD, the Executor probably has a somewhat greater edge in firepower than a Mandator (likely due to the larger size/bigger powerplant.)

[Murazor]

Not neccesarily. As far as we know the Mandator is a pure battleship, lacking the ground assault and carrier functions an Executor could have. Executors are so large partly because they have to fufill a variety of differnt roles.

Also keep in mind that the Venator/Victory class are far less powerful than an Imperial-Era mile long ISD. And going by this quote, these "Support destroyers" are even more pathetic.

I suspect that given the probable relative capability of a Venator/VSD to an ISD, the Executor probably has a somewhat greater edge in firepower than a Mandator (likely due to the larger size/bigger powerplant.)

Now, there is something I am interested here. How many VSDs is worth an ISD? I have heard that the Victory has something like 2/3 of the ISD firepower, because it was a dedicated warship (designed for the last stages of the Clone Wars and all that), while the ISD is a multi-purpose platform designed for a variety of missions that include patrol and police of rebellious systems. However, this seems quite an stretch considering that the Vics have probably about a tenth of the volume of an ISD.

[Imperial Overlord]

To expand on the possibilities of the Mandator II versus the Executor:

If the Mandator II is somewhere between 8-14km long, it will still be able to easily crush hundreds of those Commerce Guild destroyers that need 4:1 odds to take on a 1.1 km Venator, especially if it is a pure battleship. While that would make a huge ship compared to Venators and Trade Federation Battleships, it would be considerably smaller than the Executor.

On the Invisible Hand, I see a hell of a lot of proton torpedo tubes (102). They grossly outnumber it's heavy turbolaser emplacements. Any one got any ideas about this? I'm picturing Andromeda style mass missle volley of death.