Star War's Most Fearsome Warriors (by organization)
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Star War's Most Fearsome Warriors (by organization)
This thread poses a simple question: what organization/group (in your opinion) produces the deadliest or most fearsome fighters in the galaxy and why? Please note that this question is all about organizations and not individuals, I would also prefer that you provide a brief explanation for each of your choices.
My Top Five:
1. Jedi/Sith- Trained from childhood for battle, fearsome skill with the lightsaber (a weapon that can deflect enemy fire as well cut through almost anything) and inhuman speed + reflexes. As if all that weren't enough, Jedi also have the capacity to employ telekinesis and certain other "psychic" abilities (precognition and mind-control come to mind) oftentimes to deadly effect against an unprepared enemy.
2. Emperor's Royal Guard- Handpicked from only the very best of the stormtroopers, brutally tested for stamina and combat reflexes and trained in the deadly martial art of Echani (and probably just about every other form of combat). Wears armor that is supposedly "a quantum leap beyond that worn by Stormtroopers" and uses both a Force Pike (which supposedly kills on contact?) and a heavy blaster in combat.
3. Mandalorians- Culture of elite warriors renowned for their combat prowess and armor, they were able to decimate half the Jedi Order (although they were completely eradicated by the Jedi in turn) during a battle some 25 years before the Clone Wars. The famous bounty hunter, Jango Fett was a young member of this caste.
4. IG100 "Magnataur Droid"- Fast, efficient and deadly, the IG100 droid can hold its own against a Jedi (at least for a while). They wield a deadly electrostaff in combat (and according to Republic Commando, have guided missile launchers as well).
5. Noghri- Deadly warriors who became the Darth Vadar's personal bodyguards and assassins, the Noghri possess incredible reflexes, speed, perception and surprising strength or their size.
My Top Five:
1. Jedi/Sith- Trained from childhood for battle, fearsome skill with the lightsaber (a weapon that can deflect enemy fire as well cut through almost anything) and inhuman speed + reflexes. As if all that weren't enough, Jedi also have the capacity to employ telekinesis and certain other "psychic" abilities (precognition and mind-control come to mind) oftentimes to deadly effect against an unprepared enemy.
2. Emperor's Royal Guard- Handpicked from only the very best of the stormtroopers, brutally tested for stamina and combat reflexes and trained in the deadly martial art of Echani (and probably just about every other form of combat). Wears armor that is supposedly "a quantum leap beyond that worn by Stormtroopers" and uses both a Force Pike (which supposedly kills on contact?) and a heavy blaster in combat.
3. Mandalorians- Culture of elite warriors renowned for their combat prowess and armor, they were able to decimate half the Jedi Order (although they were completely eradicated by the Jedi in turn) during a battle some 25 years before the Clone Wars. The famous bounty hunter, Jango Fett was a young member of this caste.
4. IG100 "Magnataur Droid"- Fast, efficient and deadly, the IG100 droid can hold its own against a Jedi (at least for a while). They wield a deadly electrostaff in combat (and according to Republic Commando, have guided missile launchers as well).
5. Noghri- Deadly warriors who became the Darth Vadar's personal bodyguards and assassins, the Noghri possess incredible reflexes, speed, perception and surprising strength or their size.
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I'd say either the Jedi/Sith or the Vong (though I'm not sure should they be counted any more)
Since the (dark) Jedi they have decent fighting skills and abilities that are unnatural (Force lighting for example).
Since the (dark) Jedi they have decent fighting skills and abilities that are unnatural (Force lighting for example).
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Don't forget the Emperor's Sovereign Protectors. They're basically uber Royal Guards. With Force powers. As ridiculous as it sounds, its true.
Though I'm not sure if they'd fit in more with 1 or 2.
At any rate, it may be worth mentioning the Trandoshans somewhere in here.
Though I'm not sure if they'd fit in more with 1 or 2.
At any rate, it may be worth mentioning the Trandoshans somewhere in here.
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Since I have not read the Vong books, I do not include them on the list.
1. Jedi/Sith. Sith MUCH more than Jedi. They can more easily train in combat because such a behavior would be much too aggressive for the stereotypical Jedi. The Jedi are still more formidable than other warriors simply because of their abilities, plus if you had to fight one you might not have control over whether you fight Joe Padawan Jr. or Mace Windu.
2. Echani. A group of humans who use hand-to-hand combat as a form of communication and have developed an extremely intuitive form of martial arts. Lower level Echani are basically like Kung Fu masters, while the more powerful can become almost Jedi-like. In KOTOR II an Echani character mentions (in passing) that the most powerful Echani masters can predict the course of wars. Imperial Guardsmen according to EU sources are trained in Echani martial arts, so I kinda count them in here.
3. Wookiees/Noghri. Obviously different styles of fighting due to biology, but their similar cultures make me include them in the same place on the list. Either way, if you anger a member of either of these species, you're fucked. If you're nice enough to them, you're pretty much set for life.
4. Mandalorians. Obviously bad-ass, but totally reliant on their cool toys. Take them away, and they don't stand much chance against those mentioned above. Give equivalent toys to the above combatants, and you'll likely achieve a similar result (only with more fire and explosions).
5. Assassin Droids (including the HK and IG series). Programmed for combat, but are restricted in a similar way the Agents in the Matrix are restricted (they are programmed with a strict set of rules that they must follow, mostly so their owners are protected from them. They, like all droids, are regularly mindwiped for the same purpose, since personality quirks might be able to override the safeguards their owners rely on).
1. Jedi/Sith. Sith MUCH more than Jedi. They can more easily train in combat because such a behavior would be much too aggressive for the stereotypical Jedi. The Jedi are still more formidable than other warriors simply because of their abilities, plus if you had to fight one you might not have control over whether you fight Joe Padawan Jr. or Mace Windu.
2. Echani. A group of humans who use hand-to-hand combat as a form of communication and have developed an extremely intuitive form of martial arts. Lower level Echani are basically like Kung Fu masters, while the more powerful can become almost Jedi-like. In KOTOR II an Echani character mentions (in passing) that the most powerful Echani masters can predict the course of wars. Imperial Guardsmen according to EU sources are trained in Echani martial arts, so I kinda count them in here.
3. Wookiees/Noghri. Obviously different styles of fighting due to biology, but their similar cultures make me include them in the same place on the list. Either way, if you anger a member of either of these species, you're fucked. If you're nice enough to them, you're pretty much set for life.
4. Mandalorians. Obviously bad-ass, but totally reliant on their cool toys. Take them away, and they don't stand much chance against those mentioned above. Give equivalent toys to the above combatants, and you'll likely achieve a similar result (only with more fire and explosions).
5. Assassin Droids (including the HK and IG series). Programmed for combat, but are restricted in a similar way the Agents in the Matrix are restricted (they are programmed with a strict set of rules that they must follow, mostly so their owners are protected from them. They, like all droids, are regularly mindwiped for the same purpose, since personality quirks might be able to override the safeguards their owners rely on).
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Re: Star War's Most Fearsome Warriors (by organization)
Goota go with these guys as my personal Favorite.. They have the Über gajets of a Mr.Bond, and the badassness of a Fighter like Jet Li. Totally kick ass all the way around.BringerOfLight wrote:3. Mandalorians- Culture of elite warriors renowned for their combat prowess and armor, they were able to decimate half the Jedi Order (although they were completely eradicated by the Jedi in turn) during a battle some 25 years before the Clone Wars. The famous bounty hunter, Jango Fett was a young member of this caste.
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I'm gonna have to separate the jedi from the sith, The sith spent most of their time on physical rather than mental arts thus making them much more deadly. Also (although this is a VG reference) Ancient Sith lords were unequivocal masters of the lightsaber arts.
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Mentioned in the AotC novel. The majority of the Mandalorians were exterminated by the Jedi and baby Jango was one of the last one's left.Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Wait wait wait... Mandalorian extermination 25 years before the Clone Wars? Am I missing something?
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I found out about the Morgukai while looking through the WOTC site:
If their cortosis armor and weapons are standard weapons, then the Morgukai should be up there among the other great SW warrior groups.At the time of the Geonosian crisis, the ancient order of Kajain'sa'Nikto fighters known as the Morgukai were already on the verge of extinction. Almost nothing is known about the history of the secretive warriors. Even the Jedi archives contain only a few scraps of legend mixed with a few facts: The Morgukai will overlook issues of good and evil so long as their sense of honor remains intact; the Morgukai often train their own sons to follow them in a system similar to the Jedi Master-Padawan system; Morgukai are always male Kajain'sa'Nikto; and Morgukai warriors were sometimes a match even for the fabled Jedi Knights.
Some Morgukai, such as the mercenaries Tsyr and Bok, possessed mysterious weapons and armor that even the Jedi Knights feared, weapons made of cortosis fiber, a material resistant to lightsaber blades. No one but the Morgukai themselves know if the rare substance was commonly built into their weapons, or if Tsyr and Bok -- who were also father and son, respectively -- had their special spearlike weapons built specifically to fight the Jedi.
The cortosis spears resembled lightsabers in reverse: a meter-long shaft laced with saber-resistant cortosis ore, with a small spear-tip at one end created in much the same way a saber blade is generated.
The Empire officially declared the Morgukai an outlaw religion soon after the Clone Wars, but by then it hardly mattered, as the Nikto warriors had not been heard from in years. If Morgukai still pursue honor and combat in the galaxy, they do it in secret.
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Ah... I did not know that. I'd thought they were refering to the Mandalorian Wars...Knife wrote:Mentioned in the AotC novel. The majority of the Mandalorians were exterminated by the Jedi and baby Jango was one of the last one's left.Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Wait wait wait... Mandalorian extermination 25 years before the Clone Wars? Am I missing something?
Thanks for the clarification.
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Another note, some warriors in organizations may have their rating go up under specific circumstances. The Ubese may get a ratings boost if fighting Republic people (seeing as how the Republic basically, though kinda unintentionally, nuked their homeworld). Perhaps even Jedi (I imagine their hatred for all things Republic may prompt many to study anti-Jedi tactics).
Well, at the beginning at least.Matt Huang wrote:since the Vong are now a presence in the SW galaxy, I'd have them on that list. Skilled Vong warriors were able to fight Jedi on equal terms.
As the Jedi got more used to fighting enemies without force powers, it took 3 Vong to equal one Jedi unless one got very lucky.
And if they came one by one the Jedi could take them almost endlessly.
Why? Cortosis helps protect against lightsaber strikes. It does jack against blaster bolts and rips like paper. And it does even less against force attacks. It only protects you if a Jedi runs up to you and tries to cleave your head off.Jim Raynor wrote:I found out about the Morgukai while looking through the WOTC site:
If their cortosis armor and weapons are standard weapons, then the Morgukai should be up there among the other great SW warrior groups.At the time of the Geonosian crisis, the ancient order of Kajain'sa'Nikto fighters known as the Morgukai were already on the verge of extinction. Almost nothing is known about the history of the secretive warriors. Even the Jedi archives contain only a few scraps of legend mixed with a few facts: The Morgukai will overlook issues of good and evil so long as their sense of honor remains intact; the Morgukai often train their own sons to follow them in a system similar to the Jedi Master-Padawan system; Morgukai are always male Kajain'sa'Nikto; and Morgukai warriors were sometimes a match even for the fabled Jedi Knights.
Some Morgukai, such as the mercenaries Tsyr and Bok, possessed mysterious weapons and armor that even the Jedi Knights feared, weapons made of cortosis fiber, a material resistant to lightsaber blades. No one but the Morgukai themselves know if the rare substance was commonly built into their weapons, or if Tsyr and Bok -- who were also father and son, respectively -- had their special spearlike weapons built specifically to fight the Jedi.
The cortosis spears resembled lightsabers in reverse: a meter-long shaft laced with saber-resistant cortosis ore, with a small spear-tip at one end created in much the same way a saber blade is generated.
The Empire officially declared the Morgukai an outlaw religion soon after the Clone Wars, but by then it hardly mattered, as the Nikto warriors had not been heard from in years. If Morgukai still pursue honor and combat in the galaxy, they do it in secret.
What about high-spec combat droids? I'm not talking BDs, or even Magnadroids - I'm talking Grievous. Build ten. Fuck that: build a hundred. Kill absolutely anyone except Yoda, Windu or Kenobi. We all know the Jedi are idiots. Lets see 'Mandalorians' (hahahahahaha *sigh*) deal with droids so agile and strong they casually kill Jedi.
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Maybe if you think Ganner at the end of Traitor.Praxis wrote:Well, at the beginning at least.Matt Huang wrote:since the Vong are now a presence in the SW galaxy, I'd have them on that list. Skilled Vong warriors were able to fight Jedi on equal terms.
As the Jedi got more used to fighting enemies without force powers, it took 3 Vong to equal one Jedi unless one got very lucky.
And if they came one by one the Jedi could take them almost endlessly.
But I don't recall regular Jedi taking Vong saber to staff while outnumbered.
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You can't build more than one Grevious without someone willing to go inside it. More to the point, for the cost of one grevious, you could get several armies of ordinary battle droids.Stark wrote:What about high-spec combat droids? I'm not talking BDs, or even Magnadroids - I'm talking Grievous. Build ten. Fuck that: build a hundred. Kill absolutely anyone except Yoda, Windu or Kenobi. We all know the Jedi are idiots. Lets see 'Mandalorians' (hahahahahaha *sigh*) deal with droids so agile and strong they casually kill Jedi.
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You forgot the deadliest foes of all! Here's my rebuttal to your 'list'
1. Battle Droids. Look at them and tell me you don't feel the terror.
2. Jar Jar Binks. This Gungan destroys several dozen droids and tanks. And he wasn't even trying. His deadliness is not to be underestimated.
3. C-3P0. He gets this one for effort: Even when his head is separated from his body he does not forget his objective, the one thing that has sustained him all these years: Destroy All Jedi.
4. Young Anakin Skywalker. Crew complement of a Trade Federation Battleship: only 25 Nemoidians, but it is a good start. He also destroys several tens of thousands of battle droids, at a cost of slightly over sixty-one credits to the Federation.
1. Battle Droids. Look at them and tell me you don't feel the terror.
2. Jar Jar Binks. This Gungan destroys several dozen droids and tanks. And he wasn't even trying. His deadliness is not to be underestimated.
3. C-3P0. He gets this one for effort: Even when his head is separated from his body he does not forget his objective, the one thing that has sustained him all these years: Destroy All Jedi.
4. Young Anakin Skywalker. Crew complement of a Trade Federation Battleship: only 25 Nemoidians, but it is a good start. He also destroys several tens of thousands of battle droids, at a cost of slightly over sixty-one credits to the Federation.
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Yes but Grievous vould properly take out several armies of ordinary battle droids single handed. Judging by his displays in the clone wars.NecronLord wrote:You can't build more than one Grevious without someone willing to go inside it. More to the point, for the cost of one grevious, you could get several armies of ordinary battle droids.Stark wrote:What about high-spec combat droids? I'm not talking BDs, or even Magnadroids - I'm talking Grievous. Build ten. Fuck that: build a hundred. Kill absolutely anyone except Yoda, Windu or Kenobi. We all know the Jedi are idiots. Lets see 'Mandalorians' (hahahahahaha *sigh*) deal with droids so agile and strong they casually kill Jedi.
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Without the force, they'd shoot him dead eventually.Crazedwraith wrote:Yes but Grievous vould properly take out several armies of ordinary battle droids single handed. Judging by his displays in the clone wars.
Ep 3 spoilers: To wit, despite having a faceplate that can supposedly survive a starfighter blaster bolt (hyperbole IMO), and being more than a match for Obi-Wan, the force acting through Obi-wan was more than a match for him, even with all four lightsabers going at once. The same Obi-Wan was not a match for the droid army, though he could hold its weapons off by surrendering the force, Grevious could not, because even with his reactions, he would not be able to tell where and when the blaster bolts were going to come. A droid army would reduce Grevious to scrap metal.
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Oh yes.
A lightsaber can cut his hands off. Sustained blaster fire would hurt him too.
A lightsaber can cut his hands off. Sustained blaster fire would hurt him too.
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Bah! Save your proof! I stand by my Greivous wanking! As soon as he gets in to close quaters he pwnz0rs th0z dr01d fagg0ts! Just liek he took out those clones in Chapter 24.NecronLord wrote:Without the force, they'd shoot him dead eventually.Crazedwraith wrote:Yes but Grievous vould properly take out several armies of ordinary battle droids single handed. Judging by his displays in the clone wars.
Ep 3 spoilers: To wit, despite having a faceplate that can supposedly survive a starfighter blaster bolt (hyperbole IMO), and being more than a match for Obi-Wan, the force acting through Obi-wan was more than a match for him, even with all four lightsabers going at once. The same Obi-Wan was not a match for the droid army, though he could hold its weapons off by surrendering the force, Grevious could not, because even with his reactions, he would not be able to tell where and when the blaster bolts were going to come. A droid army would reduce Grevious to scrap metal.
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