Strength of Star Wars Cloth...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-04-05 05:37pm

...Stop looking at me, funny.

I was just thinking chapter 24 of the Clone Wars Shak-tii ties Grievous' cloak to a train just before it spped off and drags him with it.

What does this say about the strength of the cloth? Wouldn't it be much more likely the cloak would just rip off?

Again with the funny looks.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-04-05 05:40pm

taking there has been armor cloth (that stop blasters of that era) for at least 4000 years and we do know that Dooku's cape/cloak is a kind of armor.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-04-05 05:50pm

Isn't the cloth portion of Janjo/Boba Fetts armor stated to be able to stop blasers?

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2005-04-05 07:31pm

What about Vader stopping that Blaster with his hand in ESB. Was there some fabric that his gloves were made out of that they could dipserse that shot?

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-04-05 07:43pm

Spice Runner wrote:What about Vader stopping that Blaster with his hand in ESB. Was there some fabric that his gloves were made out of that they could dipserse that shot?

In I, Jedi Luke makes a comment about how Vader had the ability to absorb blaster bolts without ill effect. Whether that was the origional intended interpretation or just one of Stackpole's fuckups I don't know.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-04-05 07:43pm

Quadlok wrote:
Spice Runner wrote:What about Vader stopping that Blaster with his hand in ESB. Was there some fabric that his gloves were made out of that they could dipserse that shot?
In I, Jedi Luke makes a comment about how Vader had the ability to absorb blaster bolts without ill effect. Whether that was the origional intended interpretation or just one of Stackpole's fuckups I don't know.

Also if you watch ESB...he redirects the energy. It hit the sidewall left of Han.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-04-05 07:45pm

Quadlok wrote:
Spice Runner wrote:What about Vader stopping that Blaster with his hand in ESB. Was there some fabric that his gloves were made out of that they could dipserse that shot?
In I, Jedi Luke makes a comment about how Vader had the ability to absorb blaster bolts without ill effect. Whether that was the origional intended interpretation or just one of Stackpole's fuckups I don't know.

Well Kenobi can do it in Clone Wars (plus it's quite game Force "power") so...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-05 07:54pm

Vader used the Absorb/Dissipate Energy Force skill. His gloves had nothing to do with it.

Sephirius · Post by **Sephirius** » 2005-04-06 05:45am

if you actually take a close look, it appears his glove has been blasted through or damaged, so it's unlikely the gloves do this.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-04-06 06:17am

Padme's shirt gets ripped by the claws of a big cat monster.

It's a trick she learned from Kirk.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2005-04-06 08:57am

Kurgan wrote:Padme's shirt gets ripped by the claws of a big cat monster.

It's a trick she learned from Kirk.

ah, but the shirt didn't get completely ripped off, so she learned the trick rather poorly.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2005-04-06 09:04am

Quadlok wrote: In I, Jedi Luke makes a comment about how Vader had the ability to absorb blaster bolts without ill effect. Whether that was the origional intended interpretation or just one of Stackpole's fuckups I don't know.

In the ANH novelization it is made very clear that Vader's armor can withstand blaster fire. When he confronts Leia, she spits on him though his armor is still so hot that it boils away. So it is clear he was hit by blasters during the boarding actions on Tanative IV.

So seeing Han's blaster bolt have no effect on the Dark Lord is no suprise.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-06 09:27am

Except that at least a portion of that is overridden by the events of the film, in which such an aspect of Leia and Vader's exchange didn't occur.

Not saying that you're entirely wrong though.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-04-06 09:33am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Vader used the Absorb/Dissipate Energy Force skill. His gloves had nothing to do with it.

The novelization of TESB says it was a "gauntlet-protected hand" that served to deflect the bolts. Stupid, yes. But either way, his droid arms are no joke.

darthnidankendo · Post by **darthnidankendo** » 2005-04-06 10:48am

[quote="Kurgan"]Padme's shirt gets ripped by the claws of a big cat monster. quote]

That was hot!

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2005-04-06 11:37am

Vympel wrote: The novelization of TESB says it was a "gauntlet-protected hand" that served to deflect the bolts. Stupid, yes. But either way, his droid arms are no joke.

So, was it the fabric of Vaders glove, or the armor of his artificial hand underneath that deflected the blaster bolt?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-06 04:28pm

No it wasn't. I don't care what the novelisation says. That makes what was actually seen absurd. Vader had to have been using the Force. I refuse to accept otherwise.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-04-06 04:57pm

Vympel wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Vader used the Absorb/Dissipate Energy Force skill. His gloves had nothing to do with it.
The novelization of TESB says it was a "gauntlet-protected hand" that served to deflect the bolts. Stupid, yes. But either way, his droid arms are no joke.

That doesn't mean he wasn't using the force. If the passage was written from Han or Leia's point of view, that's what it would look like. Vader extends his hand, blaster bolts are deflected by the force, and it appears to a casual observer that they bounced off Vader's gauntleted hand.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-04-06 11:13pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No it wasn't. I don't care what the novelisation says. That makes what was actually seen absurd. Vader had to have been using the Force. I refuse to accept otherwise.

They make no mention of it in the movie so we fall to the next tier in canon.

Star Wars Trilogy paperback
The Empire Strikes Back
p 291

But the man who may have been the fastest draw in the galaxy wan not fast enough to suprise Vader. Before those bolts zipped halfway across the table, the Dark Lord had lifted a gauntlet-protected hand and effortlessly deflected them so they exploded against the wall in a harmless spray of flying white shards.

So as we can see here in this passage, Vader used his gloved hand to deflect the shots.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-07 12:06am

I'm sorry, I couldn't read a word you said...

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-04-07 12:31am

Relevant passage:

But the man who may have been the fastest draw in the galaxy wan not fast enough to suprise Vader. Before those bolts zipped halfway across the table, the Dark Lord had lifted a gauntlet-protected hand and effortlessly deflected them so they exploded against the wall in a harmless spray of flying white shards.

So Vader raises his hand and deflects the bolts

Cal said:

So as we can see here in this passage, Vader used his gloved hand to deflect the shots.

Actually, we don't. We see Vader raise his hand and then deflect the blaster bolts. It does not directly state whether or not he does it with the force or with his hand. Now, we see the Jedi make all sorts of motions and gestures when using the force, so Vader raising his hand doesn't necessarily have any more signifigance than Qui-Gon gesturing at the dice or Obi-Wan gesturing as he uses the force to strike down battle droids. Or Vader gesturing as he uses his force choke.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-04-07 12:48am

I would say it makes much more of a statement to chalk it up to Vader using the Force. He always liked showing off his power, after all (like choking people with the Force). Which makes a more powerful statement?:

1) The cloth in Vader's gloves blocks blaster bolts.
2) Vader uses the Force to deflect the bolts (not even resorting to a lightsaber) in order to show his utter contempt towards Han's attempt at an attack.

Hmmmmm....I guess I'll have to go with number 2.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-07 12:48am

Poe has covered this. I believe the bolt is absorbed and then reemitted. It is definitely the Force, especially since the EU retroactively made this a Force power.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-04-07 01:00am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Poe has covered this. I believe the bolt is absorbed and then reemitted. It is definitely the Force, especially since the EU retroactively made this a Force power.

If that is the case, then the novelizations description is appropriately over-ridden, but I'd like to note for the record that there is no evidence that Vader's glove is "cloth". It is after all referred to as a gauntlet, which is a word reserved for something a lot more substantial, usually.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-04-07 01:18am

Vympel wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Poe has covered this. I believe the bolt is absorbed and then reemitted. It is definitely the Force, especially since the EU retroactively made this a Force power.
If that is the case, then the novelizations description is appropriately over-ridden, but I'd like to note for the record that there is no evidence that Vader's glove is "cloth". It is after all referred to as a gauntlet, which is a word reserved for something a lot more substantial, usually.

Wow, so theoretically you could recreate the scene in AOTC of Yoda and Dooku, only with one guy firing a bunch of bolts and having them just throw the shots back at him? Certainly makes the "Saber vs. Blaster" Jedi thread a bit more interesting!