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Palpatine still gets killed by Vader but Lando fucks up and the DSII survives the attack.

I believe that would be, to quote Abraham Lincoln, "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

I'm assuming this means all fighters sent into the DSII (including the MF) are destroyed. In all likelihood this also means the rest of the Rebel fleet either a) was destroyed, or b) had to withdraw after running out of fighters. Compound this with problems for the Rebels on the ground, as after the battle the DSII and remaining Star Destroyers start sending down their stormtrooper garrisons to take care of the Ewok and Rebel infestations.

Basically, whether or not the Alliance collapses after a debacle like that depends on the still debated point as to whether the fleet at Endor was the most the Rebels could muster. If they are able to muster more, they could perhaps mount a second attack to finish the station off. If not, well, they're screwed.

Now, as for the Empire. The chance of them falling into a lot of infighting with Palpatine (and I'm assuming Vader still bites it) dying is pretty high, especially if the Alliance collapses after Endor. There'd be Admiral grabbing for the DSII, and then perhaps a Battle of Endor with Imperial ships making the attack. How successful that battle is depends on how quickly the new Death Star commander works towards completion of the station.

Heh, as a more "interesting" scenario: Palpy and Vader are gone, so Luke replaces the emperor.
He could then restore the republic from an intact powerbase. I don't think the jedi code says anything about using those who caused the mess to clean it up.

-Gunhead

this sounds a huluva lot like one of the original endings to star wars I read once...

The rebel troops on endor are defeated, lando smashes the falcon into the shield, luke kills palpatine and redeems vader, but also takes over and renames the Death Star the Life Star.

I kid you not. I'm almost sure I saw it on a page on starwars.com along with the Biggs/Luke Tatooine scene and the C-3P0 with a large you-know-what trading card. Oh yeah Star Wars urban legends... they revealed some to be true some false. It was false.

You are F'ing kidding me? He becomes Emperor and Renames it, the LifeStar?

Gunhead wrote:Heh, as a more "interesting" scenario: Palpy and Vader are gone, so Luke replaces the emperor.
He could then restore the republic from an intact powerbase. I don't think the jedi code says anything about using those who caused the mess to clean it up.

-Gunhead

There is no indication that the Empire was dynastic (aka that a relative of a leader would take command), that the Empire required a force user to rule, or that Vader himself would be a canidate to rule the Empire (so his son has little standing). Why would Luke be considered as a replacement? He's a Rebel!

IIRC with the Emperor dead the Imperial fleet lost all co-ordination. With the loss of the commandship the battle fell into a free for all. Pellaeon will signal an energancy jumpt to hyper and the gunners on the Mon Cal Curisers get some easy target practice.

Crossroads Inc. wrote:You are F'ing kidding me? He becomes Emperor and Renames it, the LifeStar?

That sounds more like one of those God damn Tales movie retellings. I know of no such actual alternate ending for the film.

And for the record, Endor would have been destroyed, since that's what Jerjerod was attempting to do when DSII exploded.

Crossroads Inc. wrote:You are F'ing kidding me? He becomes Emperor and Renames it, the LifeStar?

*thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

wautd wrote:

Crossroads Inc. wrote:You are F'ing kidding me? He becomes Emperor and Renames it, the LifeStar?

*thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

Well if we all have Qui Zux's (sp) naiveity then it will be used to crack open deserted planets tomake mining easier

2000AD wrote:

wautd wrote:

Crossroads Inc. wrote:You are F'ing kidding me? He becomes Emperor and Renames it, the LifeStar?

*thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

Well if we all have Qui Zux's (sp) naiveity then it will be used to crack open deserted planets tomake mining easier

I'm just telling you what I read. I didn't make this shit up. And a 'good' use? how about killing the Yhuuzhan Vong much earlier in the NJO?

otherwise you could simply disable the Superlaser (remove the crystals, power systems, etc.) and turn it into a giant orbital Space Station.

Cabwi Desco wrote:

2000AD wrote:

wautd wrote: *thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

Well if we all have Qui Zux's (sp) naiveity then it will be used to crack open deserted planets tomake mining easier

I'm just telling you what I read. I didn't make this shit up. And a 'good' use? how about killing the Yhuuzhan Vong much earlier in the NJO?

otherwise you could simply disable the Superlaser (remove the crystals, power systems, etc.) and turn it into a giant orbital Space Station.

If the Death Star had not been destroyed in the first place, the New Republic would not have ever existed, and the Rebel Alliance would be doomed. Whatever became of the Empire sans Palpy and Vader would certainly not use the Death Star for good.

wautd wrote:
*thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

How about as a mobile command center for the military? Of course the super laser would have to be taken, out to prevent any moffs or admirals with delusions of grandeur from trying to topple the government.

Also how about as a planetary seige weapon. It can carry many millions of troops, supplies and fighters.

Gunhead wrote:Heh, as a more "interesting" scenario: Palpy and Vader are gone, so Luke replaces the emperor.
He could then restore the republic from an intact powerbase. I don't think the jedi code says anything about using those who caused the mess to clean it up.

-Gunhead

Shh, you're going to give the fanfic writers ideas.

If Lando were to err in his attack run and the Rebels finally be defeated there would stand a good chance that Moff Jerjerrod or one of the four Grand Admirals (one is a qualified Dark Jedi) on board the station would conjur up some sort of a pact with the crew, hasten quickly back to Coruscant, and reclaim the Empire for himself.

The Moff may then find that he has quite a greater chance to enfore this as previously he had been legitimately recognized by the Emperor as the station's true commander; a station located by mishap in the same sector that swore allegiance to him.

As for Luke attempting to gain the august throne, the Grand Admiral steeped in the dark side that I mentioned was en route to the Emperor's throne room upon feeling the Emperor's death and would have easily massacured Luke if he might not have left the citadel beforehand. Even if that were to fail, the millions of stormtroopers on the Death Star would have easily captured him.

Cabwi Desco wrote:

2000AD wrote:

wautd wrote: *thinks of ways the DSII can be used for something "Good"*


Nope... still thinking tough

Well if we all have Qui Zux's (sp) naiveity then it will be used to crack open deserted planets tomake mining easier

I'm just telling you what I read. I didn't make this shit up. And a 'good' use? how about killing the Yhuuzhan Vong much earlier in the NJO?

otherwise you could simply disable the Superlaser (remove the crystals, power systems, etc.) and turn it into a giant orbital Space Station.

That's from one of the fake scripts that can be found on the 'Net. The OS has made it clear that they're fake, and they don't match anything from publications such as the Annotated Screenplays.

How badly would an exploding planet fuck up the two fleets?

Lord Pounder wrote:How badly would an exploding planet fuck up the two fleets?

At those proximities and with that kind of energy/ejection involved? I'd say pretty bad.

Mange the Swede wrote:

Cabwi Desco wrote:I'm just telling you what I read. I didn't make this shit up. And a 'good' use? how about killing the Yhuuzhan Vong much earlier in the NJO?

otherwise you could simply disable the Superlaser (remove the crystals, power systems, etc.) and turn it into a giant orbital Space Station.

That's from one of the fake scripts that can be found on the 'Net. The OS has made it clear that they're fake, and they don't match anything from publications such as the Annotated Screenplays.

I already said that starwars.com debunked it, read damnit.

They could just paint the death star red like in muppet babies. A giant space Tomato, who could hate that?

Dude, I remember that episode (we actually have it recorded on VHS). That was awesome.

Animal Vader and Kermit Skyhopper

And Gon Zolo.

Cabwi Desco wrote:this sounds a huluva lot like one of the original endings to star wars I read once...

The rebel troops on endor are defeated, lando smashes the falcon into the shield, luke kills palpatine and redeems vader, but also takes over and renames the Death Star the Life Star.

I kid you not. I'm almost sure I saw it on a page on starwars.com along with the Biggs/Luke Tatooine scene and the C-3P0 with a large you-know-what trading card. Oh yeah Star Wars urban legends... they revealed some to be true some false. It was false.

i remember hearing that to, so anybody who thinks cebwi is crazy hes not crazy, bassi

Cabwi Desco wrote:

Mange the Swede wrote:

Cabwi Desco wrote:I'm just telling you what I read. I didn't make this shit up. And a 'good' use? how about killing the Yhuuzhan Vong much earlier in the NJO?

otherwise you could simply disable the Superlaser (remove the crystals, power systems, etc.) and turn it into a giant orbital Space Station.

That's from one of the fake scripts that can be found on the 'Net. The OS has made it clear that they're fake, and they don't match anything from publications such as the Annotated Screenplays.

I already said that starwars.com debunked it, read damnit.

Yes, but you did write "original endings" and that has never been an original ending in the first place, it was that part that got me confused.