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Bullet weapons in SW

Posted: 2002-11-24 04:56pm
by His Divine Shadow
I'm looking for info on bullet weapons in SW, stats, lots of them too please.

Posted: 2002-11-24 05:00pm
by Crazy_Vasey
The only thing I can remember off the top of my head is Lando firing a slugthrower in a bar on Bastion and blowing a large hole in the ceiling. That was in VOTF I think.

Posted: 2002-11-24 05:47pm
by His Divine Shadow
Anyone care to try some calcs on this?
Tuskens use the Ceelus Swat VI Automatic Rifle which has a 25 round magazine and can fire three 5.147mm bullets before any recoil is delivered back.

Posted: 2002-11-24 05:54pm
by His Divine Shadow
I also got this:
The CG-15 is a SMG that fires caseless 8mm shots fast enough that one doesn't feel the recoil until a second shot has left the chamber

Posted: 2002-11-24 06:12pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:Projectile weapons, commonly known as "slugthrowers," remain in common use, particularly on isolated worlds with strict weapons policies: who;e customs authorities are quite effective in stopping smugglers from bringing blasters from off-world, there's very little to top a gang from designing slugthrowers on computers and manufactyuring them on cheap tooling machines.
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:While slugthwoers built on frontier worlds vary widely on in capabilities and quality, modern slugthowers built by reputable companies such as Czerka, Merr-Sonn, and Oriolanis are sophisticated weapons, ranging from pistols and hunting rifles to rapid-fire, high-caliber machine guns that can shoot thousands of rounds per minute.
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:Ammunition is also varied, as slugs are made of mteal, ceramic, and hardened plastics. Specialty rounds can release toxic or stun gases, or acid, or carry explosive heads. During the Galactic Civil War, several Rebel SpecForce units carried explosive-tipped rounds that were quite affective at blowing through stormtrooper armor.
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:The Oriolanis Striker pistol is a standard short-range slugthrower with an optimum range og thirty meters, a maximum range of sixth meters, and a slug cartridge that holds eight slugs. As with a hold-out blaster, only a vital hit is likely to kill, This weapon is normally easy to acquire, even on worlds with strict weapons laws.
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:The Dresselian rifle is a far more crude weapon, normally hand-built with primitive tools. The long barrel gives the rifle a respectable maximum range of 300 meters and an optimum range 150 meters. The rifle's magazine holds six shells.The Dresselians (nicknamed "Prune Faces" by some) managed to drive Imperial occupation forces off their world despite their limited technology.

Posted: 2002-11-25 01:26am
by Moonshadow
perhaps that last one is what Zam Wessel used to shoot the assasin droid Obiwan was hanging on to.

Posted: 2002-11-25 02:38am
by Sea Skimmer
Moonshadow wrote:perhaps that last one is what Zam Wessel used to shoot the assasin droid Obiwan was hanging on to.
No she had some specialized mass driver rifle. The Ep2 Visual dictionary covers it.

Posted: 2002-11-25 02:43am
by Sea Skimmer
His Divine Shadow wrote:Anyone care to try some calcs on this?
Tuskens use the Ceelus Swat VI Automatic Rifle which has a 25 round magazine and can fire three 5.147mm bullets before any recoil is delivered back.
Calculate what exactly? If you want to know the rate of fire you need for that effect, it's around 2000 RPM, though sustained would be much lower. There's nothing exceptional about what this gun does. The German G11 does the same thing, only with 4.6mm feeding from a 50 round magazine. Three round burst before you feel the recoil

Posted: 2002-11-25 10:17am
by Evil Sadistic Bastard
All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.

Posted: 2002-11-25 11:15am
by Utsanomiko
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

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Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P

Posted: 2002-11-25 11:24am
by Lord Pounder
primitive of not it's blow a pretty hole in ya.

Posted: 2002-11-25 11:26am
by Kuja
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

*snip*

Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P
Apparently, most SW slugthrowers are cheap mass produced rifles. Compared to blasters, they ARE primitive.

Posted: 2002-11-25 12:22pm
by Stormbringer
IG-88E wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

*snip*

Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P
Apparently, most SW slugthrowers are cheap mass produced rifles. Compared to blasters, they ARE primitive.
True but if you use one right they're still deadly. Just about anything can be deadly if you use it right.

Posted: 2002-11-25 01:09pm
by Bastard
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:Ammunition is also varied, as slugs are made of mteal, ceramic, and hardened plastics. Specialty rounds can release toxic or stun gases, or acid, or carry explosive heads. During the Galactic Civil War, several Rebel SpecForce units carried explosive-tipped rounds that were quite affective at blowing through stormtrooper armor.
And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.

Posted: 2002-11-25 01:12pm
by Master of Ossus
Moonshadow wrote:perhaps that last one is what Zam Wessel used to shoot the assasin droid Obiwan was hanging on to.
No. Zam Wessel's weapon was a mass driver weapon. The Dresselian rifle uses a chemical propellant. Further, the design of the two weapons is clearly significantly different.

Posted: 2002-11-25 01:20pm
by neoolong
Bastard wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:Ammunition is also varied, as slugs are made of mteal, ceramic, and hardened plastics. Specialty rounds can release toxic or stun gases, or acid, or carry explosive heads. During the Galactic Civil War, several Rebel SpecForce units carried explosive-tipped rounds that were quite affective at blowing through stormtrooper armor.
And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.
Not necessarily. They may both have explosive bullets, but you don't know that the power is the same. Baking soda and vinegar can be considered explosive, but I would rather use a grenade than baking soda and vinegar against an enemy.

Posted: 2002-11-25 02:30pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Bastard wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology wrote:Ammunition is also varied, as slugs are made of mteal, ceramic, and hardened plastics. Specialty rounds can release toxic or stun gases, or acid, or carry explosive heads. During the Galactic Civil War, several Rebel SpecForce units carried explosive-tipped rounds that were quite affective at blowing through stormtrooper armor.
And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.
You do realize that fighter-sized explosives in their book means direction fusion devices who's yields exceed our most powerful nukes and are smaller then your head, yes?

What they mean by explosive tipped doesn't translate to tacking some modern explosives into the tip of 5.56 mm bullet and thinking it could take down stormies.

Posted: 2002-11-25 04:06pm
by Kon_El
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

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Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P
the P90 is a cool looking gun aint it?

Posted: 2002-11-25 04:59pm
by Bastard
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Bastard wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.
You do realize that fighter-sized explosives in their book means direction fusion devices who's yields exceed our most powerful nukes and are smaller then your head, yes?
Which is dumb, since there is no mechanism in the entire universe by which a smaller-than-human-head warhead would deliver a yeild greater than the most powerful nukes. Not even M/AM annhialation (the most powerful type of reaction in the universe) would out-yeild a Tsara Bomba with a warhead smaller than a human head.

If this is a figure from the ICS, it only demonstrates that Saxton is a hack with a poor grasp of science.

Posted: 2002-11-25 05:17pm
by Dargos
Kon_El wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

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Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P
the P90 is a cool looking gun aint it?



ummmmm.........no..it looks like a toy....hell...i wouldn't even know how to hold the damn thing...no pistol grip? no stock? or is that a folding stock i see......how the hell are u suposed to hold it?

Posted: 2002-11-25 05:32pm
by Sea Skimmer
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:All I can say is that slugthrowers are very primitive and are only used on backwater planets.
Primitive?!

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Point this one at your head, and let's see you call it 'primitive' :P
Not the best idea to refute a primitive comment with a picture of a gun that was a failure due to considerable technical problems.

Posted: 2002-11-25 05:57pm
by HemlockGrey
Which is dumb, since there is no mechanism in the entire universe by which a smaller-than-human-head warhead would deliver a yeild greater than the most powerful nukes. Not even M/AM annhialation (the most powerful type of reaction in the universe) would out-yeild a Tsara Bomba with a warhead smaller than a human head.

If this is a figure from the ICS, it only demonstrates that Saxton is a hack with a poor grasp of science.
I dunno if you have something against Dr.Saxton, but I believe the figure is taken from the EU novels.

The mechanism could theoretically exist, but we have yet to uncover it, ne? That is a possibility, correct?

Posted: 2002-11-25 06:00pm
by Sea Skimmer
Bastard wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Bastard wrote: And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.
You do realize that fighter-sized explosives in their book means direction fusion devices who's yields exceed our most powerful nukes and are smaller then your head, yes?
Which is dumb, since there is no mechanism in the entire universe by which a smaller-than-human-head warhead would deliver a yeild greater than the most powerful nukes. Not even M/AM annhialation (the most powerful type of reaction in the universe) would out-yeild a Tsara Bomba with a warhead smaller than a human head.

If this is a figure from the ICS, it only demonstrates that Saxton is a hack with a poor grasp of science.
Hypermatter, hyperspace, blasters, tractor beams, gravity plating, superconductive ridge armor and many other things in Star Wars also don’t and or can't exist. In conclusion, Fuck off.

Posted: 2002-11-25 06:01pm
by His Divine Shadow
Bastard wrote:And out the window goes the "Present day Earth armies would be powerless against stormtroopers because of their bulletproof armour" claim.
Actually, it keeps it there, it shows that you need explosive rounds of unknown strenght, possibly higher than anything earth has.
Now just consider the problem with giving out explosive rounds to every soldier...

Posted: 2002-11-25 06:02pm
by His Divine Shadow
IG-88E wrote:Apparently, most SW slugthrowers are cheap mass produced rifles. Compared to blasters, they ARE primitive.
That and stormie armor is highly resistant to KE weapons.