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Does the Kaminoan growth accleration program stop at a certain age or do Stormtroopers drop dead of old age alot sooner than anyone else?

IIRC from what I've read, I think it slows down after a while, but is still faster than normal.

Apparently, Republic Commando: Hard Contact addresses this (linked thread contains quotes from the book and discussion about it). They seem to continue their accelerated growth throughout their life.

Mad wrote:Apparently, Republic Commando: Hard Contact addresses this (linked thread contains quotes from the book and discussion about it). They seem to continue their accelerated growth throughout their life.

Damn. Sucks for them.

Indeed. I feel sorry for the clones really after reading about the shit the Kaminoans do.

Stravo wrote:

Mad wrote:Apparently, Republic Commando: Hard Contact addresses this (linked thread contains quotes from the book and discussion about it). They seem to continue their accelerated growth throughout their life.

Damn. Sucks for them.

Makes sense really. The original clones were obediently loyal to Jedi. Do you think Palpy would want to leave troops that are loyally obedient to his enemies in existence any more than he had to?

It's years x 2.3 = our age in biogiacal

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Stravo wrote:

Mad wrote:Apparently, Republic Commando: Hard Contact addresses this (linked thread contains quotes from the book and discussion about it). They seem to continue their accelerated growth throughout their life.

Damn. Sucks for them.

Makes sense really. The original clones were obediently loyal to Jedi. Do you think Palpy would want to leave troops that are loyally obedient to his enemies in existence any more than he had to?

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yeah, they were so loyal that they turned on them within five seconds of recieving the order to do so. Unless that was a new batch i'm not informed about. Which brings up an interesting point. Did all the clones obey palpy's order to exterminate the jedi, or were there renegades who said no?

SylasGaunt wrote:Indeed. I feel sorry for the clones really after reading about the shit the Kaminoans do.

A ruined and terrible form of life, apparently perfected in the Spaarti cloning cylinders of the Thrawn era. I suspect that the later clones > early Kaminoan models.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go frantically rewrite the clone character in my fanfic to have been produced by the Cartaoan clonemasters instead of these second-rate Kaminoan incompetants (I won't even mention their inadquate combat training), due to the fact that if they'd made him, he'd be dead by the time of the fanfic.

NecronLord wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go frantically rewrite the clone character in my fanfic to have been produced by the Cartaoan clonemasters instead of these second-rate Kaminoan incompetants (I won't even mention their inadquate combat training), due to the fact that if they'd made him, he'd be dead by the time of the fanfic.

Who are these Cartoans? What other documented techniques are there except for Kaminoan and Spaarti? Please and thank you.

Cartaoans are supposedly the group that invented the Spaarti cylinders.

Wayland data

"The Spaarti cylinders -- refinements of Kaminoan technology developed on Cartao during the Clone Wars -- became a nearly inexhaustible source of new stormtroopers for Thrawn to use."

Stravo wrote:Damn. Sucks for them.

It kind of sucks for them anyway, as they were human beings specifically created and raised up for no other reason to fight and die for a nation, and never given a choice in the matter. However, given how disposable they are, how often will old age be an issue?

At least they bothered to give the troopers differing personalities rather then making them all the same.

Alyeska wrote:At least they bothered to give the troopers differing personalities rather then making them all the same.

What's the point, really? Looking at the stormie RPG stats, they aren't using clones that have super-spectacular performance. One wonder what's the fucking point of the entire clone exercise - it is one thing to use clones that are based on supermen like Jango, quite another to just do regulars.

No one cares about their body bags.

Stravo wrote:Does the Kaminoan growth accleration program stop at a certain age or do Stormtroopers drop dead of old age alot sooner than anyone else?

Stormtroopers are grown through a different process.

NecronLord wrote:Cartaoans are supposedly the group that invented the Spaarti cylinders.

Wayland data

"The Spaarti cylinders -- refinements of Kaminoan technology developed on Cartao during the Clone Wars -- became a nearly inexhaustible source of new stormtroopers for Thrawn to use."

Wrong. The Republic developed the new clone cylinder technology from the Kaminoan vats. The Cranscoc (apparently some sort of insectoid hive-based engineering species) at Spaarti Creations (a biotech company) developed the complex tooling and fluid-flow systems to support a huge cache of the new-type cloning cylinders. After an attack on Cartao (the location of Spaarti Creations), 20,000 of these cylinders were sequestered by one of Palpatine's political aids (who believes himself to be a double agent in the service of Darth Sidious) at Wayland.

However, there is obviously a dramatic ramp-up in production of the Jango-type clones through the Clone Wars, and data about the Clone Commanders (including a flash learning program) suggests that the advanced cloning technology was implemented elsewhere.

Later, Palpatine will develop cloning vats for his own use based on the Spaarti cylinders, but different from the original models at Wayland. He will sequester caches of these vats at Coruscant and at Byss to aid his quest for immortality.

Stormtroopers will initially be developed along the same lines as the late-model Clonetroopers. That is, 10 year infancy-to-adulthood development for high-quality troopers probably supplemented by the advanced cloning technology sans the one-year complication that Thrawn later had to circumvent (Lando remarks that the clonemasters were rumored to have found a solution to the growth period problem, but no one knew what it is - its likely that it was Sidious who identified the program and took steps to circumvent it).

The "Spaarti" cylinder technology has the drawbacks, or at least Thrawn's models, of creating clones which are potentially psychologically unstable if grown too quickly, realize they are clones, realize they are mental copies of other people, and are not intrinsically loyal. Palpatine advanced "Spaarti" technology may have created frail or disease bodies, as his clones aged much more rapidly than his original body. He also lost much of his strategic genius and mental acuity.

The Kaminoan long-cloning process has other drawbacks, most notably the extremely long development period, and all the logistical and financial drawbacks of feeding and supplying, educating and training the clones throughout that period. However, while they know they are clones, they are unflinchingly and without flaw, totally loyal.

The Empire developed the "GeNode" cloning process. Individual troopers are grown from the zygote to full adulthood and then decanted as functioning people. They automatically fabricate their own unique personalities and memories shortly after decanting. They do not realize they are clones (though they recognize all the others are) and are programmed to be too polite to speak with clones of their line about cloning. They are intrinscally and unflinchingly loyal as well, as Strander in
Pax Emperica grew disillusioned and pondered abandoning service under the Empire, he suddenly and reflexively about-faced mentally, and reflected on how he loved the Empire and could never leave in a 1984-esque way.

You realise that there was no reason other than your own bizzare mentality to put 'wrong' on that, don't you? While much of that is interesting, it does not contradict what I said. Cartaoans are a species called Cranscoc, right, useful. Interesting, and rather strange, information about this so called GeNode process that the Empire used, but I have little doubt that the 10-year Kaminoan process was refined, given that this would otherwise mean that they were completely unable to grow any new clones during the war - it didn't last long enough.

The Spaarti system - growth to adulthood and flash-learning seems like the obvious method of doing this, especially given that it is supposedly from the Clone Wars. This may not have been done on Cartao, and may have even been implemented on Kamino itself, but the original full-time process is obviously incapable of replacing battlefield losses at the rate one would assume was needed in the Clone Wars.

Nevertheless, it seems that the Spaari process produces a clone who doesn't grow at an accellerated rate throughout its lifespan, otherwise Spaari grown clones would live, what, five to ten years - worse, Thrawn's ones would perish in a matter of months. Which was my original point.

"You're wrong" refered to saying that Cartoans invented the Spaarti cylinders. They didn't. The Republic did, and Spaarti Creations was to develop the infrastructure to support them on Cartao.

Interesting. So, was Cartao somewhere out of the way that they chose to place the Spaari cylinders, or were they developed there initially? Joy. Inaccurate Databank entries.

Dare I ask where all this is coming from?

NecronLord wrote:Interesting. So, was Cartao somewhere out of the way that they chose to place the Spaari cylinders, or were they developed there initially? Joy. Inaccurate Databank entries.

Dare I ask where all this is coming from?

Hero of Cartao; the actual original short story. The technology was already developed elsewhere; Palpatine's aid went there to ramrod the Republic's demand through using some nationalization-law he had just passed.

So it's quite valid to assume that the technology would also be implemented on Kamino, but with {potentially} inferior nutrient dispersal systems?

NecronLord wrote:So it's quite valid to assume that the technology would also be implemented on Kamino, but with {potentially} inferior nutrient dispersal systems?

Yup.

Excellent. That makes SoD considerably easier on the Clone Wars issue.

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Alyeska wrote:At least they bothered to give the troopers differing personalities rather then making them all the same.

What's the point, really? Looking at the stormie RPG stats, they aren't using clones that have super-spectacular performance. One wonder what's the fucking point of the entire clone exercise - it is one thing to use clones that are based on supermen like Jango, quite another to just do regulars.

Considering how these are supposed to be clones who grew up learning military tactics from birth, they should be better then the average soldier at their perscribed task.