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No Personal Shields!

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:26am
by Kurgan
I noticed another interesting tidbit as I was skimming through the AOTC Visual Dictionary today... on the page talking about Droidekas it says that humans can't carrying personal shields due to their "high radioactivity."

Yet we know from several other sources that personal shields ARE in use by humans and others post ROTJ.

So I guess the explanation is that the tech simply improved over the few decades since AOTC, or they're talking about some other kind of personal shield (ie: not the "big blue bubble type" used by the Droidekas).

Kyle Katarn's personal shield for example only glows (or doesn't glow, depending on the game in question) when it's activated by incoming damage.

Edit: Here's the exact quotation (from p.55 of the AOTC VD):
Unlike droidekas, humans cannot carry personal shield generators because of the technology's high radioactivity.

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:28am
by VT-16
I guess it´s a more high-tech version of "getting radiation from your cell-phone"! :lol:

Re: No Personal Shields!

Posted: 2005-04-28 05:00am
by FTeik
Kurgan wrote:I noticed another interesting tidbit as I was skimming through the AOTC Visual Dictionary today... on the page talking about Droidekas it says that humans can't carrying personal shields due to their "high radioactivity."

Yet we know from several other sources that personal shields ARE in use by humans and others post ROTJ.

So I guess the explanation is that the tech simply improved over the few decades since AOTC, or they're talking about some other kind of personal shield (ie: not the "big blue bubble type" used by the Droidekas).

Kyle Katarn's personal shield for example only glows (or doesn't glow, depending on the game in question) when it's activated by incoming damage.
Interesting, since the same AOTC:VD claims, that Palpatine has a shieldprojekor hidden in his chair.

Re: No Personal Shields!

Posted: 2005-04-28 05:15am
by Kurgan
FTeik wrote: Interesting, since the same AOTC:VD claims, that Palpatine has a shieldprojekor hidden in his chair.
The Shield Radiation turns him into Prune-Face!!!.. mystery solved!!...CANON!! Thank you. ;)

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:22pm
by Quadlok
The shields on a droideka are reactor fed and significantly stronger than the power cell fed shields seen in the EU. So, really, the VD should have said 'strong, long lasting' personal shields.

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:23pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
They've had personal shields to some degree for at least four thousand years.

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:52pm
by Imperator Galacticus
There are also personal force fields evidenced in The Courtship of Princess Leia and all the Jedi Knight games ever made.

Re: No Personal Shields!

Posted: 2005-04-28 04:57pm
by Col. Crackpot
Kurgan wrote:
FTeik wrote: Interesting, since the same AOTC:VD claims, that Palpatine has a shieldprojekor hidden in his chair.
The Shield Radiation turns him into Prune-Face!!!.. mystery solved!!...CANON!! Thank you. ;)
Just ask Yoda. He's actually Mace Windu's twin.... look what it did to him!

Posted: 2005-04-28 07:11pm
by consequences
Is it possible that the ones the Destroyer Droids use have so much higher an energy output that it just isn't possible to fully shield them in an easily portable unit?

Posted: 2005-04-28 07:20pm
by Alyeska
And lets not forget the personal shields that Clone Commandoes are equiped with.

Posted: 2005-04-28 07:21pm
by Darth Wong
The Gungans all carried personal shields. They were handheld devices like an old-style Roman shield, but they did the job. They were impervious to blaster fire.

Re: No Personal Shields!

Posted: 2005-04-29 04:57am
by Kurgan
Col. Crackpot wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
FTeik wrote: Interesting, since the same AOTC:VD claims, that Palpatine has a shieldprojekor hidden in his chair.
The Shield Radiation turns him into Prune-Face!!!.. mystery solved!!...CANON!! Thank you. ;)
Just ask Yoda. He's actually Mace Windu's twin.... look what it did to him!
Tres cool! This idea shall be forwarded to Lucas! :lol:

Posted: 2005-04-29 05:09am
by Lord Revan
Darth Wong wrote:The Gungans all carried personal shields. They were handheld devices like an old-style Roman shield, but they did the job. They were impervious to blaster fire.
also they might not work with same princebles as GR shields. Anyway what I think it not so much the shield itself then equipment needed to power it that causes the radiation (remember that both the Clone Commando's and Kyle Katarn's personal deflector deplate very quickly under heavy fire were as anything short of figther grade weapons ain't gonna go thru a Droidekas shield.)

Posted: 2005-04-29 05:24am
by Trytostaydead
It could also be a matter of different physiology in the case of the gunguns which allow them to survive more radiation, with clone troopers it could be because life is cheap, and with Sidious, well, he has the force.

Posted: 2005-04-29 05:55am
by Lancer
clonetroopers also have a suit of armor that offers (presumably) NBC shielding, so radiation isn't going to hit them as hard.

Posted: 2005-04-29 02:08pm
by Deathstalker
Lord Revan wrote:(remember that both the Clone Commando's and Kyle Katarn's personal deflector deplate very quickly under heavy fire were as anything short of figther grade weapons ain't gonna go thru a Droidekas shield.)
Clonetrooper weapons seem powerful enough defeat Droideka shields, they would have to be, or Clones would have to have heavy vehicle weapons whereever they fight to defeat Droidekas
Matt Huang wrote:clonetroopers also have a suit of armor that offers (presumably) NBC shielding, so radiation isn't going to hit them as hard.
NBC does not mean protection from radiation. All it means is that the suit is sealed against biological and chemical agents and keeps out nuclear fallout.

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:33pm
by wolveraptor
I'm quite sure that Gungan shields aren't based off the same technology as droideka shields. They're probably made of that plasma they mine at the core.

Question: In the starwars site, they make several references as to how large scale shield generators prevent energy weapons and hover-craft from passing through, but cannot stop solid objects from going through. This was the reason why many republic heavy weapons were terrestrial. Does this mean that a droideka shield can be penetrated in such a way as well? If so, why didn't Obi and Qui gon do that when they were confronted in Ep I?

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:39pm
by Lord Revan
unbeataBULL wrote:I'm quite sure that Gungan shields aren't based off the same technology as droideka shields. They're probably made of that plasma they mine at the core.

Question: In the starwars site, they make several references as to how large scale shield generators prevent energy weapons and hover-craft from passing through, but cannot stop solid objects from going through. This was the reason why many republic heavy weapons were terrestrial. Does this mean that a droideka shield can be penetrated in such a way as well? If so, why didn't Obi and Qui gon do that when they were confronted in Ep I?
energy shield can (mild) burns which of course doesn't effect droids or vechiles

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:48pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Maybe mild to a droid, but those burns, even for from personal shields, can kill a person.

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:48pm
by Elheru Aran
unbeataBULL wrote:I'm quite sure that Gungan shields aren't based off the same technology as droideka shields. They're probably made of that plasma they mine at the core.

Question: In the starwars site, they make several references as to how large scale shield generators prevent energy weapons and hover-craft from passing through, but cannot stop solid objects from going through. This was the reason why many republic heavy weapons were terrestrial. Does this mean that a droideka shield can be penetrated in such a way as well? If so, why didn't Obi and Qui gon do that when they were confronted in Ep I?
Droideka shields don't use 'large scale' generators. However, if you tried to touch one through the shield, it'd probably zap you something nasty; IIRC, one of the things about SW energy shields is that unless you're grounded well, you're gonna get an electric charge passing through you. That's why repulsorlifts can't go through shields-- they'd be fried, along with their occupants. Even if you're grounded, you'll feel it (I've done some small-scale electrical maintenance, I know what it's like to have a charge going through you). Not the most comfortable of sensations...

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:52pm
by Lord Revan
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Maybe mild to a droid, but those burns, even for from personal shields, can kill a person.
some prison containment shields cause only mild burns (from KOTOR2).

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:55pm
by Elheru Aran
Lord Revan wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Maybe mild to a droid, but those burns, even for from personal shields, can kill a person.
some prison containment shields cause only mild burns (from KOTOR2).
And if they're only 'mild', why don't the people contained just back up to the rear of the cell, muster up their courage, and take a running leap right through the shield? :P

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:58pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Elheru Aran wrote:
unbeataBULL wrote:I'm quite sure that Gungan shields aren't based off the same technology as droideka shields. They're probably made of that plasma they mine at the core.

Question: In the starwars site, they make several references as to how large scale shield generators prevent energy weapons and hover-craft from passing through, but cannot stop solid objects from going through. This was the reason why many republic heavy weapons were terrestrial. Does this mean that a droideka shield can be penetrated in such a way as well? If so, why didn't Obi and Qui gon do that when they were confronted in Ep I?
Droideka shields don't use 'large scale' generators. However, if you tried to touch one through the shield, it'd probably zap you something nasty; IIRC, one of the things about SW energy shields is that unless you're grounded well, you're gonna get an electric charge passing through you. That's why repulsorlifts can't go through shields-- they'd be fried, along with their occupants. Even if you're grounded, you'll feel it (I've done some small-scale electrical maintenance, I know what it's like to have a charge going through you). Not the most comfortable of sensations...
Only ground hugging repulsorlifts; LAAT/i's and LAAT/c's were able to penetrate the theater-shielded field of battle.

Posted: 2005-04-30 02:58pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Lord Revan wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Maybe mild to a droid, but those burns, even for from personal shields, can kill a person.
some prison containment shields cause only mild burns (from KOTOR2).
So what?

Posted: 2005-04-30 04:52pm
by Lone_Prodigy
Lord Revan wrote:some prison containment shields cause only mild burns (from KOTOR2).
The most likely explaination is that they can stop someone from passing through (as well as give them a mild burn), but not kill them because they don't want prisoners commiting suicide via disintegration. Better to just keep them in and give them some pain, and stop them from ending their sentence too early.