Page 1 of 3

Why fans make better Star Wars movies than George Lucas

Posted: 2005-05-08 09:35pm
by Galvatron
Don't flame me, I'm just quoting an article...

Slate
Clive Thompson wrote:Good news, Star Wars buffs. There's a new movie out this spring—and it isn't by George Lucas. The 40-minute, fan-made Star Wars Revelations cost a mere $20,000. It's also just as good as—and often quite better than—the cringe-inducing Star Wars movies of recent years. Indeed, it's so artistically successful that it suggests a radical idea: Maybe Lucas should step aside and let the fans take over.

Our most cherished sci-fi franchises are in a creative trough. Lucas' movies have spiraled into unwatchability; Paramount has so exhausted its ideas for Star Trek that it's folding up its tent and going home. The fans, in contrast, still give a damn: The director of Revelations, Shane Felux, is clearly more knowledgeable about the strengths and weaknesses of the material than Lucas himself. Felux's movie retains the funky vibe of the original Star Wars, down to the kitschy, '70s-style wipes, the obligatory scene in an alien bar, and Darth Vader's throat-choking technique. Better yet, it jettisons Lucas' most loathed innovations—neither Jar Jar Binks nor any Ewoks make an appearance. Fans may be pointy-headed and obsessed with useless trivia, but they have excellent bullshit detectors.

The fans can also give Industrial Light and Magic a run for its money. When it comes to special effects, Revelations is nothing short of astonishing. Early on, there's a jaw-dropping chase scene in which the heroes' ship darts like a nimble fish through a cluttered space-yard, a fleet of TIE fighters in hot pursuit. Later, a stunning attack on an Empire Destroyer left me laughing in sheer surprise.

How could Felux produce scenes this good? Because desktop animation and editing programs like Bryce and Adobe Premiere Pro allow anyone to blow up a CGI spacecraft on a garage-band budget. What's more, Felux relied on the techniques of open-source design. Hundreds of people worldwide offered small bits of work, purely for the love of the project—and a chance to brag about their contribution. Felux wrangled free labor from over 30 CGI artists, including one supremely talented 16-year-old kid who lists his occupation as "being awesome." For live-action shots, Felux convinced unpaid actors and crew members to drive out to weekend shoots. When he needed uniforms for Storm Troopers and X-wing pilots, he borrowed them from fans who made their own.

Fan-made art is also easier to distribute than ever before. The proliferation of broadband in the past few years means that a movie doesn't have to open on 3,000 screens to get seen by millions of eyeballs. In only one week online, an estimated 1,000,000 people have already downloaded Star Wars Revelations. You can get the movie for free from various online sites or by using BitTorrent—don't worry, it's a legal download. BitTorrent in particular is so efficient in its use of bandwidth that I downloaded the entire 252-megabyte movie in around 12 minutes. (That's probably because 99 percent of the geeks who are into fan-created sci-fi are using BitTorrent.)

George Lucas has always encouraged Star Wars­-inspired fan movies, so long as the wannabe auteurs didn't try to make a profit. (That's the case with Felux—he isn't selling his movie or any associated merchandise.) Lucas should do more, though. Once he stops polluting the world with prequels, he should slap a liberal "Creative Commons" copyright license on the Star Wars franchise. That would explicitly allow any fan to remix an existing movie, or create a new one in homage, so long as there's no profit involved. Everyone wins: Movies like Revelations keep the fan base alive, and Lucas can continue selling figurines until the sun explodes.

This open-source method won't work for every defunct cultural property. Fan art works best when it feeds off of dweeby universes that are jam-packed with characters. It would be easy to create amateur, offshoot films based on Lord of the Rings or The Twilight Zone, and possibly even a show with a revolving-door cast like Law & Order. Shows or movies that rely on a single, charismatic actor—like Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy the Vampire Slayer—aren't as easy to replicate. But Buffy fans could simply create spinoffs, the way Buffy's creator churned out a series of comic books starring other teen slayers.

All fan-created movies still face two big stumbling blocks: scriptwriting and acting. Even something as polished as Revelations is occasionally marred by a boilerplate plot and wooden acting. (Though that might make the homage all the more authentic given the hollowness of Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman in Attack of the Clones.) The amateurs, it seems, cannot escape the artistic trap that ensnares big-budget sci-fi auteurs. When you fall in love with CGI effects, sometimes you forget how to deal with those quaint, un-animated properties we call "actors."

Posted: 2005-05-08 09:45pm
by Mr Bean
If Lucus reaaly wants to, he has tons of material to work with for more movies/TVshows/animated shorts and whatnot out there already made by the fans

Simply hire a few people to short out the top 1% and produce it

Posted: 2005-05-08 10:10pm
by Lord Revan
thing is "revelations" is only 40 min and I think it's one longest fanfilms, also it's pretty clear that who wrote the article was all ready a SW fan before. The PT isn't made for SW fan only were most fanfilms are, so likely if the "official" movies aren't 100% what fan expected they'll like fanfilms more (which are made for SW fan).

Posted: 2005-05-08 10:15pm
by Noble Ire
I have read this article, and I must say this guy is both a spectacular moron and yet another "GL raped my childhood with the PT" type. Yawn.

Posted: 2005-05-08 10:19pm
by Stravo
GL gives them the playground in which to play. He's not an asshole about letting people play in that universe and this guy goes and writes things like "GL is polluting the world with prequels?" Yuck, can we say ungrateful fucker?

Posted: 2005-05-09 12:03am
by Darth Wong
This guy suffers from the expectations vs outcomes problem. He has myriad expectations from new canon SW films and when they aren't met for whatever reason, he overreacts and says they're utter shit. Meanwhile, he doesn't really expect much from a fan-made film so when it is something other than utter shit, he proclaims that it's the Second Coming.

This is a very common mentality among disgruntled fans. All I can say is: get a fucking life. It's not George Lucas' fault that you have such rigid expectations from the films that you'll shit all over him if you don't get exactly what you imagined in your head.

Posted: 2005-05-09 12:29am
by Utsanomiko
I'll bet you fifteen dollars and a red wagon fulll of pancakes that it's as insipid, unoriginal, wooden, and pointless as the first five minutes of Legacy of the Jedi and other thankfully short fan retreads of Star Wars.

Posted: 2005-05-09 12:49am
by Kurgan
Utsanomiko wrote:I'll bet you fifteen dollars and a red wagon fulll of pancakes that it's as insipid, unoriginal, wooden, and pointless as the first five minutes of Legacy of the Jedi and other thankfully short fan retreads of Star Wars.
How can you bet on an opinion? Just sayin'...

Posted: 2005-05-09 01:04am
by Darth Wong
Let's put it this way: if AOTC was a fan-made movie, even the most negative fans would be raving about it rocked their world and suffered from only a few cringe-inducing romantic dialogue scenes. Hell, its effects could be half as good and the bad romantic dialogue twice as bad, but the fans would still praise it to the high heavens if it was made by a fan. But when GL makes it, those same fans consider it to be utter shit and then go on long rants about GL's personality flaws and creative shortcomings.

Posted: 2005-05-09 01:23am
by VT-16
Didn´t some of the crew behind "Duality" and that Boba Fett comic book style movie get to work on AOTC?

Posted: 2005-05-09 01:25am
by Lord Poe
Darth Wong wrote:Let's put it this way: if AOTC was a fan-made movie, even the most negative fans would be raving about it rocked their world and suffered from only a few cringe-inducing romantic dialogue scenes. Hell, its effects could be half as good and the bad romantic dialogue twice as bad, but the fans would still praise it to the high heavens if it was made by a fan. But when GL makes it, those same fans consider it to be utter shit and then go on long rants about GL's personality flaws and creative shortcomings.
I'm doing makeup on a SW fanfilm right now. Everyone's dedicated, has the costumes, the drive to make a SW film, swing those lightsabers...

But give me a fucking break. The second LotR movie was so fucking bad, IMHO, I don't plan on ever seeing the last one. AOTC was simply incredible. OOooh, one or two scenes were bad, so the whole movie is shit? So fucking what? I dare any of you to sit through ALL of "Bullitt", and tell me the boring scenes between the car chases were just as exciting to sit through.

Or how about Superman 2? Come on, that had crappy scenes all through it. But its still a cool Superman movie for the scenes that did work.

Posted: 2005-05-09 01:29am
by Utsanomiko
Kurgan wrote:
Utsanomiko wrote:I'll bet you fifteen dollars and a red wagon fulll of pancakes that it's as insipid, unoriginal, wooden, and pointless as the first five minutes of Legacy of the Jedi and other thankfully short fan retreads of Star Wars.
How can you bet on an opinion? Just sayin'...
I was about to make a quick extrapolation on the ability to make agreeable, legitimate criticisms and valid, mostly objective conclusions, but then I saw who was asking the question. :P

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:14am
by HemlockGrey
AOTC was simply incredible.


:wtf:

Well, that's an opinion I've never heard before.

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:19am
by Master of Ossus
"Revelations" was a good, perhaps even an excellent, fan-film. Attack of the Clones it was not. I mean this with all respect to the people who made it, but everything I've seen from it indicates that the acting was poor, and the editing had noticeable flaws that--while not serious for a fan-film--still make it infinitely worse than what people are paying money to see.

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:45am
by Rogue 9
Utsanomiko wrote:I'll bet you fifteen dollars and a red wagon fulll of pancakes that it's as insipid, unoriginal, wooden, and pointless as the first five minutes of Legacy of the Jedi and other thankfully short fan retreads of Star Wars.
Got a great CGI space pursuit scene through the Corellian shipyards in the beginning. The acting is a bit off, though.

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:53am
by Slartibartfast
Well, to tell the truth, the only good part in Revelations was the space battle CGI, and it was good for a fan film. The acting was a lot less bad than I'm used to see in fan films.

When I go see a Hollywood movie, sometimes I say stuff like "this movie sucked" or "the acting was cringe worthy", but what somebody usually means by that (I *think*) is that the acting was bad for, you know, professional actors.

When the acting in fanfilms is cringe worthy, it's a whole new different level of cringe worthy, it usually means it sucks when compared to home movies, pretty much. It's a totally separate scale of suckiness.

AotC was crappy compared to TESB, it was probably crappy when compared to a lot of non spectacular non-Star Wars movies. If I wanted to exaggerate, I could say it was worse than Rush Hour or Triple X. Revelations was "good" compared to that cops & robbers video I did when I was 12 with a home betacam.

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:55am
by Slartibartfast
By the way, people in indie movie are *usually* real actors, they probably went to acting school and everything, maybe even did a few plays in school. Why can't fanfilms be at *least* as good as an indie movie?

Posted: 2005-05-09 03:58am
by VT-16
Slartibartfast wrote:If I wanted to exaggerate, I could say it was worse than Rush Hour or Triple X.
Well, that's an opinion I've never heard before.
:P

Posted: 2005-05-09 09:05am
by Lord Revan
to add what Mike said, I truly hate when somebody who didn't think the PT was everything (s)he expected says that every swinging dick could make better movies then George Lucas

Posted: 2005-05-09 10:25am
by Mange
HemlockGrey wrote:
AOTC was simply incredible.


:wtf:

Well, that's an opinion I've never heard before.
I've heard it, and I completely agree with it. For almost twenty years, TESB had been my favorite SW movie, but when AOTC premiered, it took that spot and has held it ever since (we'll see how ROTS turns out, it does sound good).

Posted: 2005-05-09 04:36pm
by Bob the Gunslinger
Slartibartfast wrote:By the way, people in indie movie are *usually* real actors, they probably went to acting school and everything, maybe even did a few plays in school. Why can't fanfilms be at *least* as good as an indie movie?
Probably has to do with the difference between a $20,000 budget and a $20,000,000 budget.

Posted: 2005-05-09 05:01pm
by 2000AD
To be honest i've yet to see a fanfilm get even close to anything even TPM did.

Troops was brilliantly funny but did have it's slow bits.
Dualality is well done but the fighting is static compared to the fights in the films (bar ANH)
Art of the Sabre had all the music, the atmosphere and even the poem thing, but they go through all that effort and in the end it's just two guys having a lightsabre fight they don't even get dressed up for.
The Matrix Jedi was ... well ... shit IMO.

So until i find a fanfilm that is good the actual Star Wars films will always be better.

Posted: 2005-05-09 05:32pm
by Slartibartfast
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:By the way, people in indie movie are *usually* real actors, they probably went to acting school and everything, maybe even did a few plays in school. Why can't fanfilms be at *least* as good as an indie movie?
Probably has to do with the difference between a $20,000 budget and a $20,000,000 budget.
Oh yeah, because independent movies tend to cost 20 million dollars... NOT! What are you some kind of wiseguy?

Posted: 2005-05-09 05:53pm
by Anarchist Bunny
Slartibartfast wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:By the way, people in indie movie are *usually* real actors, they probably went to acting school and everything, maybe even did a few plays in school. Why can't fanfilms be at *least* as good as an indie movie?
Probably has to do with the difference between a $20,000 budget and a $20,000,000 budget.
Oh yeah, because independent movies tend to cost 20 million dollars... NOT! What are you some kind of wiseguy?
Thats no mountain, thats a molehill. *he was really blathering about this in the chat*

Posted: 2005-05-09 05:55pm
by hypernova
i skipped most of the middle topics so sry if im saying somthing already said.

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE SO FRICKING STUPID!?!?!?!?!

the Prequels are as good as the origanals because GL cant do whatever he wanted, GL had free reign to do whatever he wanted with the films. when making a prequel you are extremely and heavily restrained to conforming the series to the sequels.

Fan fics tend to be a bit not perfect in sticking to the facts, GL goes over every microscopic detail to make sure there arent any technical errors. the only dissapointment i've ever personally had was the acting was bit horrible somtimes.

Revelations although a fan flick had a heck of a lot of work put into it. i believe it took them 2 years to make.