Clone Trooper ranks

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2002-11-28 09:17am

(probably been discussed before, blah blah blah, the usual)
Once again SW has screwed up the rank system, this time of the Clone Troopers.
Green = Sergeant
Blue = Lieutenant
Red = Captain

So far so good, but what do they list the Yellow ones as (the ones seen as the highest ranking Clones)? Commanders.

When oh when will they learn that Commander < Captain in Naval ranks and just non-existent in Army ranks?

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-11-28 10:40am

I think commander is suppose to be the rank of Clone Troopers with yellow on their armor. There are some Euporean countries that use a rank of Commandant above the rank of Captain. Commandant is used instead of Major.

I think Commander was used since it does not sound as usually as commandant. Also, there may be several grades of Commander similiar to several grades of General.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-28 02:20pm

I thought that the yellow was for the pilots.

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2002-11-28 04:30pm

Pilots have distinctively different helmets.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-11-28 04:48pm

Yellow troopers seem indeed to be the highest-ranking ones.
Blue ones - didn't specifically notice them - could they be surgeons?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-28 05:22pm

They're bought clones, do you think they really want surgeons? Sorta like the battle droids, would the Trade Fed care about repairing slightly injuried droids.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-11-28 06:34pm

LAAT/i's carry medical droids in a compartment inside. Thus, no surgeons.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-28 06:41pm

Star Wars doesn't have to conform to real-life Earth nomenclature.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-11-28 09:57pm

According to the ICS, the pilots of ships were supposed to have more flexible armor, but it couldn't get produced in time.

I don't se any reason why there needs to be a bunch of Clonetrooper ranks. They were made to comfrom with each other.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-28 10:02pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:According to the ICS, the pilots of ships were supposed to have more flexible armor, but it couldn't get produced in time.

Does this make sense?
They can churn out hundreds of acclamators, LAATs and AT-TEs. But they have problems manufacturing armour? Riiiight....

Likely we'll see the exact same pilot armour for the clones in ep3.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-28 11:22pm

Sardaukar wrote:Star Wars doesn't have to conform to real-life Earth nomenclature.

Appraently, GL wants it too conform too too some type of Earthlike chain of command.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-28 11:23pm

Sardaukar wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:According to the ICS, the pilots of ships were supposed to have more flexible armor, but it couldn't get produced in time.
Does this make sense?
They can churn out hundreds of acclamators, LAATs and AT-TEs. But they have problems manufacturing armour? Riiiight....

Likely we'll see the exact same pilot armour for the clones in ep3.

There's a difference between being able to produce armor and getting it to the troops in time for a major engagement. The clonetroopers were pretty much scooped off of Geonosis, loaded onto Acclamators and told- go ape shit.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-28 11:47pm

Vympel wrote:There's a difference between being able to produce armor and getting it to the troops in time for a major engagement. The clonetroopers were pretty much scooped off of Geonosis, loaded onto Acclamators and told- go ape shit.

The Clonetrooper infantry on Kamino were training in their armour. They probably had been for a while... I'm sure the Clonetrooper pilots on Kamino were training in their armour too, and that the armour designers had enough time to design&produce whatever kind of armour that was requested.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-29 12:49am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:According to the ICS, the pilots of ships were supposed to have more flexible armor, but it couldn't get produced in time.

I don't se any reason why there needs to be a bunch of Clonetrooper ranks. They were made to comfrom with each other.

You still need a chain of command. And with near identical voices and appearances, highly visible rank indication is much more important.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-29 12:53am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:According to the ICS, the pilots of ships were supposed to have more flexible armor, but it couldn't get produced in time.

I don't se any reason why there needs to be a bunch of Clonetrooper ranks. They were made to comfrom with each other.
You still need a chain of command. And with near identical voices and appearances, highly visible rank indication is much more important.

Plus they have to be instantly recognizable in the hell that is war. Otherwise you'll follow the wrong man and fuck up a counterpenetration or offensive.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-29 01:05am

Sardaukar wrote:
The Clonetrooper infantry on Kamino were training in their armour. They probably had been for a while... I'm sure the Clonetrooper pilots on Kamino were training in their armour too, and that the armour designers had enough time to design&produce whatever kind of armour that was requested.

It's likely that they were training in that armor, made a request for a new design, and the design didn't come through in time for combat, is it not?

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-29 01:17am

Why not request the theoretical light armour at the same time as the standard so that you get it all at once? Surely whoever designed the conetroopers (probably jango, tyranus and sidious) would have enough foresight to get some light armour made up if they wanted it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-29 01:41am

Sardaukar wrote:Why not request the theoretical light armour at the same time as the standard so that you get it all at once? Surely whoever designed the conetroopers (probably jango, tyranus and sidious) would have enough foresight to get some light armour made up if they wanted it?

The Episode 2 Visual Dictionary that I just bought indicates that the Kaminonians(?) designed the armor, modelled after Jango's, but much heavier.

There have been plenty of instances in real life where stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time proved to be not so good. These guys are fallible, not omniscient. Things often get overlooked, and it sometimes takes several blocks of upgrades and refinements to ge things right.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-29 03:04am

Well, we'll see what the Clonetrooper vehicle crew are wearing in ep3...

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-29 03:54am

Sardaukar wrote:Well, we'll see what the Clonetrooper vehicle crew are wearing in ep3...

True, that is after all the ultimate arbiter- this is provided we see Clone Trooper pilots at all in Episode III, I personally have had enough of Star Wars ground battles. WHERE'S MY SPACE BATTLE!!!

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-11-29 05:14am

I hope ep3 has both ground and space battles. Simultaneous, like RotJ

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-11-29 09:39am

anarchistbunny wrote:They're bought clones, do you think they really want surgeons? Sorta like the battle droids, would the Trade Fed care about repairing slightly injuried droids.

It took 10 years to grow and train a clone trooper. I think surgeons would be included but the surgeons are probably medical droids.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-29 10:48am

paladin wrote:
It took 10 years to grow and train a clone trooper. I think surgeons would be included but the surgeons are probably medical droids.

Both LAATs and AT-TEs come standard with a medical droid stowed.