Hutts as Jedi Knights?

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-11-29 10:57am

Would it be possible for a Hutt or any other species that was resistant to Jedi mind tricks to be a Jedi Knight?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-29 11:26am

There has been a Hutt Jedi before in Twilight Planet however luckley its seems to be increably rare

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-29 11:34am

The fact that Skywalker's mind tricks didn't work on Jabba hardly means a Hutt couldn't be a Jedi despite what some whacko canon purists think.

The simplist and most logical conclusion is the mind trick didn't work because Hutt thought processes diverge considerably from humans.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-29 01:04pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The fact that Skywalker's mind tricks didn't work on Jabba hardly means a Hutt couldn't be a Jedi despite what some whacko canon purists think.

The simplist and most logical conclusion is the mind trick didn't work because Hutt thought processes diverge considerably from humans.

Or, even more simply, that Jabba is not weak-minded.

ViciousMink · Post by **ViciousMink** » 2002-11-29 01:10pm

I have no problem with the idea of Hutt Jedi. I see them as taking sedentary but very important positions in the Order which require knights (such as archivists or instructors); or, they train up, loose their bulk, and become naga-like killing machines that flit around rooms like nobody's business, and the last thing on some darksider's mind is, "THAT'S a hutt?! He looks so... svelte!" *whoooom!*SLICE*

I play with both ideas. =) The purser of the Order is a Hutt Jedi (and he does have a sabre); and the players in my campaign are going to be running into some naga-like Hutts, just to keep them on their toes. =)

Acclamator · Post by **Acclamator** » 2002-11-29 02:11pm

A Hutt Jedi would just be dumb.

You think of a Jedi and you think of an agile-as-fuck combatant jumping around force-leaping swinging the lightsaber with blinding speed... everything that you think about when you think "Jedi" is highly charged, highly kinetic, fast paced action.

Then you have Hutts. Those... those blobs are just the total antithesis of what you think of when you think "Jedi attributes".

Having a Hutt Jedi would make about as much sense as having a SSD zipping about like a fething TIE fighter.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-11-29 02:37pm

jedi arent neccesarily always combat troops. their often diplomats or explorers - which hutts might be better at.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-11-29 03:36pm

Acclamator wrote:A Hutt Jedi would just be dumb.

You think of a Jedi and you think of an agile-as-fuck combatant jumping around force-leaping swinging the lightsaber with blinding speed... everything that you think about when you think "Jedi" is highly charged, highly kinetic, fast paced action.

Then you have Hutts. Those... those blobs are just the total antithesis of what you think of when you think "Jedi attributes".

Having a Hutt Jedi would make about as much sense as having a SSD zipping about like a fething TIE fighter.

Wasn't the Hutt Jedi incredibly buff? In the Essential Chronology he was said to have been more than a match for Leia in lightsabre combat. Not like that says much, though.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-29 03:40pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:
Acclamator wrote:A Hutt Jedi would just be dumb.

You think of a Jedi and you think of an agile-as-fuck combatant jumping around force-leaping swinging the lightsaber with blinding speed... everything that you think about when you think "Jedi" is highly charged, highly kinetic, fast paced action.

Then you have Hutts. Those... those blobs are just the total antithesis of what you think of when you think "Jedi attributes".

Having a Hutt Jedi would make about as much sense as having a SSD zipping about like a fething TIE fighter.
Wasn't the Hutt Jedi incredibly buff? In the Essential Chronology he was said to have been more than a match for Leia in lightsabre combat. Not like that says much, though.

Yeah, he was really buff. Could slither around and outmanuver bipedal opponents even. I imagine he had a longer lightsabre blade.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-29 03:42pm

Are all Hutts big and blobby? I would imagine that a jedi one that could fight would be built more like a snake with arms. Incredibly fast and agile.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-11-29 03:46pm

And nasty in aquatic environments and BTW an SSD was catching up with the Falcon in ESB

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-11-29 04:01pm

Aside from Planet of Twilight I know that the Jedi power sourcebook for the WOTC RPG depics a Hutt jedi in combat. Furthermore from Tales from Jabba's Palace we knwo that younger hutts tend to be much more agile and it is only the decadance bought from years of profits that drops them to the point of requiring the hover beds. Jabba himself was apparently quite an agile fighter in his early days when he was gun running.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-29 04:08pm

neoolong wrote:Are all Hutts big and blobby? I would imagine that a jedi one that could fight would be built more like a snake with arms. Incredibly fast and agile.

Most hutts are bulbous, but they do not have to be. Many Hutts, particularly younger ones, are actually very lean and agile.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-29 04:10pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
neoolong wrote:Are all Hutts big and blobby? I would imagine that a jedi one that could fight would be built more like a snake with arms. Incredibly fast and agile.
Most hutts are bulbous, but they do not have to be. Many Hutts, particularly younger ones, are actually very lean and agile.

So Hutt warrior jedi aren't out of the question. If they work out.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-29 04:11pm

Acclamator wrote:A Hutt Jedi would just be dumb.

You think of a Jedi and you think of an agile-as-fuck combatant jumping around force-leaping swinging the lightsaber with blinding speed... everything that you think about when you think "Jedi" is highly charged, highly kinetic, fast paced action.

Then you have Hutts. Those... those blobs are just the total antithesis of what you think of when you think "Jedi attributes".

Having a Hutt Jedi would make about as much sense as having a SSD zipping about like a fething TIE fighter.

First of all, not all Jedi are warriors. Can you see Jocasta Nu with a lightsaber? She's a Jedi, but she clearly does not engage in combat. Further, many of the Jedi Council members are not warriors. There are many Jedi that serve as law enforcement, scholars, or even historians. The Jedi that we see tend to be warriors, because they are the ones that frequently alter the Galaxy in the period depicted by the movies, but in seeing only the warring side of the Jedi, we sometimes lose sight of all of the non-combat Jedi that exist. Remember, even at Geonosis there were only a hundred or so Jedi. There are more than 10,000 in the Galaxy as a whole. Hutts may or may not be able to function effectively in combat, but to say that they could not be Jedi because of this is to miss a major aspect of the movies.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-11-29 04:39pm

Acclamator wrote:A Hutt Jedi would just be dumb.

You think of a Jedi and you think of an agile-as-fuck combatant jumping around force-leaping swinging the lightsaber with blinding speed... everything that you think about when you think "Jedi" is highly charged, highly kinetic, fast paced action.

Then you have Hutts. Those... those blobs are just the total antithesis of what you think of when you think "Jedi attributes".

Having a Hutt Jedi would make about as much sense as having a SSD zipping about like a fething TIE fighter.

Don't forget, we had some 600 year-old one meter tall green troll who uses a walking stick kick Dooku's ass...

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-11-30 12:52am

"There was a third being on the terrace, stretched out on a black-and-orange air-duvet under a veritable rainshower of air misters, and Leia flinched with revulsion at the sight of it, and the sound of its gluey, tuba voide.
... It rolled over, flexed its gelid length -- at roughly twelve metres, it was the longest Hutt Leia had ever seen. It was massive, without Jabba's obesity; like a young Hutt in its agility and speed but grown to the size of an old one.
...
"And don't speak to me about not ruling this Force-benighted planet anymore," the Hutt added, aroudn a mouthful of small squirming things. "No one forced me -- me, Beldorion the Splendid, Beldorion of the Ruby Eyes -- to retire. I ruled this world longer than your pett y Empire existed, and I ruled it well."
...
He extended one hand, and Leia felt it.
The Force.
A silver cup, probably kept in some kind of cooling bowl under the gazebo's black shade, floated into sight and drifted across toward the stubby, outstretched yellow fingers with their golden rings.
...
Beldorion the HUtt had been trained as a Jedi. "

Excerpt and credits to http://www.theforce.net/swtc/novels/pot.html, from the novel Planet of Twilight.

Mr. Mister · Post by **Mr. Mister** » 2002-11-30 01:02am

Master of Ossus, you're quite right. Not to mention, the Jedi-as-Warriors thing, well, I'd say that's almost a brain-bug (which unfortunately has affect Lucas). Going by the two Jedi we see in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ, combat skills are about as important a concern for Jedi as fluency in Thai is for a paramedic in New York City. Yeah, it can be really useful, but it's not a job requirement, and it's almost irrelevant.

Personally, as soon as I stopped laughing when Yoda took on Dooku, I felt like vomiting, as I realized that it was one of the most severe mischaracterizations I'd ever seen. And by the character's creator, no less.

I just have difficulty accepting that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from these two movies are the same Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda from the other 3. They're so... different.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-11-30 01:48am

A) In RotJ Jabba calls Bib Fortuna a 'weak minded fool'. Much to Obi Wan's line 'The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded.'
B) In the novelisation to RotJ Jabba mentions to Luke that his thought patterns differ from a humans, so much so that Luke cannot effect him with the mind trick.

Niether scenerio supports a claim that Hutts 'cannot' be Jedi nor Force sensitive. As much as Planet of Twilight sucked ass, there's nothing I know of that says a Hutt can't be at least Force sensitive. Can they be a Jedi, fuck if I know, but I don't doubt it.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-11-30 03:13am

Jabba may have TOLD Luke that his mind was different to belay any further attempts. It seems that Jabba was simply of a strong enough mind to resist.

And ol'Jabba was a bit leaner and self-propelled in the revised ANH. I think it has been proposed that Hutts sometimes go through phases of thinning and bulking-- since he was close ot his usual fatass self in TPM...

But some species are just plain resistant-- like the Toydarians, for example... ordinarily I'd have wagered that someone like Watto, so easily distracted by greed and gambling, would be easy marks for Jedi mind tricks. But he acted naturally resistant.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-11-30 03:22am

Were you inspired by my thread about Kaminoan Jedi or so??

On the subject, I think the Hutt could technically become Jedi, but I don't think they're many Hutt who do.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-30 10:29am

How's this for weird - a ROBOT Jedi? It's in one of the comcis somewhere, Chippy the robot Jedi.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-30 02:04pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How's this for weird - a ROBOT Jedi? It's in one of the comcis somewhere, Chippy the robot Jedi.

4-LOM also wanted to become a jedi. Though a droid jedi is weird considering what was said in TPM. Midichlorians, while they don't cause the force, are necessary for people to be force sensitive right? But they are in living matter, not droids, so it wouldn't be possible for a straight droid to be a jedi.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-11-30 04:55pm

neoolong wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How's this for weird - a ROBOT Jedi? It's in one of the comcis somewhere, Chippy the robot Jedi.
4-LOM also wanted to become a jedi. Though a droid jedi is weird considering what was said in TPM. Midichlorians, while they don't cause the force, are necessary for people to be force sensitive right? But they are in living matter, not droids, so it wouldn't be possible for a straight droid to be a jedi.

The relationship between midichlorians and the Force is so debateable that it would be hard to rule out anyone becoming a Jedi on those grounds alone.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-11-30 06:22pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:
neoolong wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How's this for weird - a ROBOT Jedi? It's in one of the comcis somewhere, Chippy the robot Jedi.
4-LOM also wanted to become a jedi. Though a droid jedi is weird considering what was said in TPM. Midichlorians, while they don't cause the force, are necessary for people to be force sensitive right? But they are in living matter, not droids, so it wouldn't be possible for a straight droid to be a jedi.
The relationship between midichlorians and the Force is so debateable that it would be hard to rule out anyone becoming a Jedi on those grounds alone.

A typical "logical" solution of the sort a droid like 4-LOM would come up with would be a bit of cyborging. If regular organic swap-outs don't produce the necessary Force sensitivity, it's time to start acquiring Jedi or Sith "parts" suitable for grafting.

If the droid decides not to swap out entire body parts, perhaps something as relatively simple as artificially cultured high-midichlorian-count organic tissues, spread throughout the droid's body in a network of tubes, might do the trick.

Either way, a droid is likely to use up a lot of potential donors before coming up with the right method to produce the Force sensitivity.