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Saw RotS for the second time and a crazy thought popped into my head. Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Plagueis can influence midichlorians to produce life. Anakin was supposedly a "virgin" birth caused by the Force ... what if Anakin was created by Plagueis as part of a massive plot to destroy the Jedi?

Sorry in advance if someone already came up with this / too crazy for discussion / is blatently obvious .

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. It's left to the imagination.

The OS forums has some interesting clues:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa? ... &tstart=75

(SithScribe is Jonathan Rinzler, author of "The Making of Star Wars: Episode III").

I suppose Palpatine could have been lying about the whole thing, and there never was a Darth Plagueis.

Grasscutter wrote:Saw RotS for the second time and a crazy thought popped into my head. Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Plagueis can influence midichlorians to produce life. Anakin was supposedly a "virgin" birth caused by the Force ... what if Anakin was created by Plagueis as part of a massive plot to destroy the Jedi?

Sorry in advance if someone already came up with this / too crazy for discussion / is blatently obvious .

That was the implication I got, as well.
That whole sequence was just about my favorite in the movie, since we're talking about it; some background on Palpatine, finally.

The thing I found funny was that Palpatine refered to it as 'the legend of Darth Plagueis' ... how can it be a legend if it is at most an event that happened only 1 generation before? But then again, I guess I could be wrong after all as the Great Lesley said; 'Greatness is a term endowed upon a man already dead' (or words to that affect). Or you know, Lucas could have slipped up a little; parsec's anyone?

Crown wrote:The thing I found funny was that Palpatine refered to it as 'the legend of Darth Plagueis' ... how can it be a legend if it is at most an event that happened only 1 generation before? But then again, I guess I could be wrong after all as the Great Lesley said; 'Greatness is a term endowed upon a man already dead' (or words to that affect). Or you know, Lucas could have slipped up a little; parsec's anyone?

Palps didn’t reveal he was the Sith at that point in the movie he probably threw it in there so he wouldn’t sound suspicious.

Crown wrote:The thing I found funny was that Palpatine refered to it as 'the legend of Darth Plagueis' ... how can it be a legend if it is at most an event that happened only 1 generation before? But then again, I guess I could be wrong after all as the Great Lesley said; 'Greatness is a term endowed upon a man already dead' (or words to that affect). Or you know, Lucas could have slipped up a little; parsec's anyone?

because it makes it impossible for Anakin to realize that Sidious is talking about his own master (and that he's a Sith lord) before it's too late.

Crown wrote:The thing I found funny was that Palpatine refered to it as 'the legend of Darth Plagueis' ... how can it be a legend if it is at most an event that happened only 1 generation before? But then again, I guess I could be wrong after all as the Great Lesley said; 'Greatness is a term endowed upon a man already dead' (or words to that affect). Or you know, Lucas could have slipped up a little; parsec's anyone?

Or his use of the phrase 'it's a Sith legend' was just meant to impress Anakin.

Yup, the same thing occured to me while I was watching the movie. The implication isn't all that terribly subtle.

I had an interesting discussion about this Darth Plagues (Is that the correct spelling?) where Plagues uses his unique Dark Side abilities to create Anakin, who carries the potential to become the most powerful Sith Lord ever. This very potential, of course, means that his current apprentice's position, we assume to be Sidious, precarious. This forces Sidious to move against his master, in the typical Sith fashion, to be in a position to become the master of Anakin.

Oddly enough, Anakin does make an excellent weapon to be used against the Jedi.

Didn't Palpy say that Plaggy taught his apprentice all he knew, and then the apprentice killed him? And then later on, after anakin becomes Palpy's apprentice, he says that only together could they discover the secret?

Basically, its almost certain Palpy was telling Anakin what he wanted to hear, desperate as he was to save Padme, just so he would side with Sidious.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Didn't Palpy say that Plaggy taught his apprentice all he knew, and then the apprentice killed him? And then later on, after anakin becomes Palpy's apprentice, he says that only together could they discover the secret?

Basically, its almost certain Palpy was telling Anakin what he wanted to hear, desperate as he was to save Padme, just so he would side with Sidious.

Of course earlier drafts of the script had a line of dialogue that Sidious simply FORGOT that ability because he had no use for a power that kept loved ones alive. Thankfully that did not make it on screen as it is a laughable excuse.

It now becomes the much more believable Palpy pulling shit out of his ass to trap Anakin.

Stravo wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:Didn't Palpy say that Plaggy taught his apprentice all he knew, and then the apprentice killed him? And then later on, after anakin becomes Palpy's apprentice, he says that only together could they discover the secret?

Basically, its almost certain Palpy was telling Anakin what he wanted to hear, desperate as he was to save Padme, just so he would side with Sidious.

Of course earlier drafts of the script had a line of dialogue that Sidious simply FORGOT that ability because he had no use for a power that kept loved ones alive. Thankfully that did not make it on screen as it is a laughable excuse.

It now becomes the much more believable Palpy pulling shit out of his ass to trap Anakin.

Of course the other explaination could simply be that Darth Plagueis wasn't Darth Sidious' master after all. I mean, most of us are basing the assumption that the former was the later's master off the look Palpy has when telling the story to Anakin. If it's not somewhere else (like the novelisation, VD, etc), then there is no reason to believe that Darth Plagueis was Darth Sidious' master at all, and that look could have been just the general smirk when an apprentice kills a master, you know; the Sith way.

Of course if it is explicitly stated somewhere, then the above is wrong (obviously). I just feel that we need to keep things in perspective.

If Plagueis was Sidious' master and he really did create Anakin, what would that imply about Sidious' plans in Phantom Menace? Did he somehow arrange for Qui-Gon & Amidala to end up on Tatooine where they would meet Anakin, or did he genuinely want the Jedi dead and Amidala trapped on Naboo, and it was just a "happy accident" that they escaped and picked up Anakin?

Crown wrote:Of course if it is explicitly stated somewhere, then the above is wrong (obviously). I just feel that we need to keep things in perspective.

Yes it is stated explicitly somewhere else dumbass. In LoE Dooku's inner monologue reveals unequivocably that Darth Plagueis was Darth Sidious' Master, I wish cock-goblins like you would fucking read up on what they are talking about first rather than sprouting their big mouths off!

Kuja wrote:

Crown wrote:The thing I found funny was that Palpatine refered to it as 'the legend of Darth Plagueis' ... how can it be a legend if it is at most an event that happened only 1 generation before? But then again, I guess I could be wrong after all as the Great Lesley said; 'Greatness is a term endowed upon a man already dead' (or words to that affect). Or you know, Lucas could have slipped up a little; parsec's anyone?

Or his use of the phrase 'it's a Sith legend' was just meant to impress Anakin.

Well, since Palpatine, at that point, represented the entire Sith Order, he pretty much got to decide which stories get to be legends anyway.

Bear in mind that Sidious/Palpy would be aware fo the Jedi prophesy of "one who would bring balance", etc, basically be the Golden Boy, and used Plagueus's knowledge to create Anakin, knowing that the Jedi would take over at that point, raising Anakin, training him, and keeping him accessible through the Council, which is after all just down the street from Palpy's offices.

The Prophesy itself could have been a Sith plant all along, too, preparing for this day when "at last we can have our revenge"... a psychological campaign that started generations ago. Didn't Yoda, at one point, say that the Prophesy may have been misunderstood?

Well, the prophecy was misunderstood- it left out the part about their "Chosen One" being a Sith Lord for almost 25 years before he got around to destroying the Sith.

I figured that the prophecy was misunderstood becuase the Jedi assumed that the Chosen One would get rid of the Sith. I found that rather odd, because there were thousands of Jedi, but only two Sith.

At the end of the movie, there were only two Jedi and two Sith, which sounds a lot more even.

Prophecies are all about end results not how you get there. How you get there is where the story is. Oedipus is destined to sleep with his mother and kill his father. Whoa. But HOW did that happen is why the story is great. If you watch the films in order you think "The prophecy just got fucked up the ass." in Ep III. You get to ROTJ and you nod and say "Sneaky prophecy makers."

Lusankya wrote:I figured that the prophecy was misunderstood becuase the Jedi assumed that the Chosen One would get rid of the Sith. I found that rather odd, because there were thousands of Jedi, but only two Sith.

At the end of the movie, there were only two Jedi and two Sith, which sounds a lot more even.

not that difficult to figure really. the jedi probably misunderstood in a moment of hubris that bringing balance to the force meant getting rid of all the sith. they probably didn't seem to realize that with all the jedi there were, the force was already imbalanced, except to the light side. so anakin killing off all the jedi but two balanced it out.