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Where did the humans in Star Wars come from?
Posted: 2005-05-30 07:02pm
by The Jazz Intern
What planet in star wars did the Human race come from? (This is not like when you ask a trekkie why do the klingons look like humans with a ridge on their forheads.)
Posted: 2005-05-30 07:06pm
by Mr. B
I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:02pm
by Darth Fanboy
Mr. B wrote:I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.
Boy you really have a lot to learn, if you are going to make a claim PLEASE provide the evidence before saying something like "I think I am right." Humans colonized a large part of the galaxy a long time ago, in the MedStar books one of the doctors speaks of "generation ships" used in the years before Hyperspace Travel. So Humans a long time ago colonized many systems, including worlds like Corellia and Alderaan. But a definitive homeworld had never been mentioned to my knowledge. But if anyone has a SOURCE i'd like to see it.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:03pm
by Hardy
It's virtually impossible for humans to have not originated on Earth. There is very little chance that a species could have evolved under different conditions to be just like humans. Most likely, they were transplanted from earth by some means.
Re: Where did the humans in Star Wars come from?
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:07pm
by FedRebel
The Jazz Intern wrote:What planet in star wars did the Human race come from?
Everywhere and nowhere
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:07pm
by The Spartan
Hardy wrote:It's virtually impossible for humans to have not originated on Earth. There is very little chance that a species could have evolved under different conditions to be just like humans. Most likely, they were transplanted from earth by some means.
And since Earth does not exist with in the Star Wars Galaxy? And the Galaxy is "far, far away" with the time line set "a long time ago"?
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:10pm
by Darth Fanboy
To add to Spartan's answer:
The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance. But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:22pm
by Guardsman Bass
Look, I believe the easiest way to resolve this is simply to figure that, by unknown mechanism or agency, humans of somekind emerged in the SW galaxy. It's still possible for them to have come from Earth if, for example, they were a group taken from the planet tens of thousands of years ago, or if the "long time ago observer" is actually looking back from the future. Without suspending disbelief, you can only speculate.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:26pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Darth Fanboy wrote:To add to Spartan's answer:
The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance. But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.
And Hardy said they were not humans? He did not. But on the probability scale its more likely they were transplanted from Earth than evolving independently elsewhere.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:31pm
by Hardy
Darth Fanboy wrote:To add to Spartan's answer:
The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the Force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance.
You'd have to prove that Force-sensitivity is genetic for that to work. The ability to manipulate the Force might simply be (within the context of that universe) a power undiscovered by the people who are observing the "galaxy far far away" (us).
But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.
Which is precisely my reasoning.
As for Spartan's post, I fail to see how those are problems.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:37pm
by The Spartan
Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy. How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?
Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:40pm
by Srynerson
It's non-canon, but I've always liked a scene from a issue of the Marvel Star Wars comics that touched on this question. Han Solo visits ruins on a planet called Seoul 5 and finds a statue of a mother goddess figure with an inscription declaring Seoul 5 to be the birthplace of humanity. Solo comments, "With all due respect lady, there are a half-dozen other planets that make the same claim." (Or words very close to that.) In the absence of more concrete evidence, that's the most anyone can say.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:42pm
by Mr. B
Darth Fanboy wrote:
Boy you really have a lot to learn, if you are going to make a claim PLEASE provide the evidence before saying something like "I think I am right." Humans colonized a large part of the galaxy a long time ago, in the MedStar books one of the doctors speaks of "generation ships" used in the years before Hyperspace Travel. So Humans a long time ago colonized many systems, including worlds like Corellia and Alderaan. But a definitive homeworld had never been mentioned to my knowledge. But if anyone has a SOURCE i'd like to see it.
Whoa, settle amigo. It was just a comment on something I heard on these forums, it was not meant to be a scholarly answer.
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:51pm
by Hardy
The Spartan wrote:Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy.
The hypothesised abductor's FTL propulsion systems do the trick.
How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?
The simplest answer would be heavy promiscuity.
Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.
Huh? Is there evidence of a Space Slug existing anywhere else?
If you want a real example, look at
ducks, which can be found on Naboo. It's no stretch to suppose that they were also transplanted
Posted: 2005-05-30 08:59pm
by The Spartan
No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.
My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:08pm
by Guardsman Bass
No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.
It's probably more likely (that they were transported) than humans that basically indistinguishable from Earth humans somehow evolving on a SW planet
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. The conditions that led to humanity were pretty chancey, and unlikely to happen on a planet with even minor differences from Earth.
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:21pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Spartan wrote:Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy. How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?
Simple; the transplanting species obviously placed them in sufficient numbers to begin with and ahead of other developing species in the galaxy, and most importantly, probably gave them technology and assistance.
The Spartan wrote:Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.
"Entity A is irrational, so Entity B's origin should be presumed to be irrational."
I don't understand why this shit is considered a valid debating tactic. We minimize dumb shit. Two wrongs do not make a right, and illogic does not justify more illogic.
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:25pm
by Hardy
The Spartan wrote:No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.
Weighing with parsimony is giving me a headache. It's a species identical, but totally unrelated to Homo Sapiens Sapiens defying ridiculous odds to exist vs. actual humans being transplanted by unknown means.
My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.
Since a creature evolved in space, it follows that a species identical to humans could evolve despite the ridiculous odds against that? Is that what you're trying to say?
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:36pm
by Praxis
Mr. B wrote:I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.
It's implied in Conquest (Mike's fanfic), but absolutely nowhere even close to canon.
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:37pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Parsimony favors transplantation; the sheer number of hugely unlikely requisites for identical human evolution is many many more extra terms than "alien abduction, resettlement, and aid."
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:41pm
by The Spartan
Hardy wrote:The Spartan wrote:No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.
Weighing with parsimony is giving me a headache. It's a species identical, but totally unrelated to Homo Sapiens Sapiens defying ridiculous odds to exist vs. actual humans being transplanted by unknown means.
My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.
Since a creature evolved in space, it follows that a species identical to humans could evolve despite the ridiculous odds against that? Is that what you're trying to say?
My point, is that if impossible species A (the space slug) exists, under SOD why is it so hard to believe that it's possible for impossible species B (the non-Earth humans to exist)?
Posted: 2005-05-30 09:50pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Who gives a shit about the space slug when it has nothing to do with humans?
Frankly I'm so sick of this human issue, having to repeat what seems like every couple of months, that I'm not even going to bother this time...
Posted: 2005-05-30 10:02pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Spartan wrote:My point, is that if impossible species A (the space slug) exists, under SOD why is it so hard to believe that it's possible for impossible species B (the non-Earth humans to exist)?
Did you read any of what I wrote, you fucking idiot? You minimize irrational, impossible shit, you fucking dolt. That's obvious.
Posted: 2005-05-30 10:10pm
by YT300000
Can we just sticky a thread with the human topic? Since these question threads seem to come up every few weeks.
Posted: 2005-05-30 10:20pm
by hypnosifl
There are all kinds of creatures in the Star Wars universe that look almost exactly like humans but with one key visible difference, like a pair of horns or antenna or head-tails (as well as different skin color, usually)...from a real-life evolutionary point of view, aliens who look that close to humans are only slightly less improbable than aliens who look exactly like humans. So, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the laws of biology just don't work the same way in the Star Wars universe, maybe the Force influences evolution so that many different planets end up converging on nearly-identical humanoid forms.