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Did it strike anyone as odd as cloak and dagger Anakin and Amidala had to be about her pregnancy/marriage? According to Padme, Anakin would have been kicked out of the Jedi Order for getting married and knocking up his wife and the Queen of Naboo would have removed her from her Senatoral position, hence why she wanted to go to the Lake Country on Naboo for seculsion. Assume all that's true, doesn't that strike anyone as slightly rediculous?

The Jedi Order couldn't possibly kick Anakin out, he's one of the best Jedi they had, even if he was kind of the low man on the totem pole in terms of rank and importance. They needed him because he was one of their best warriors. Surely his importance to their war effort was more important than the terrible sin of taking a wife and having a child. Besides, Obi-wan would have almost certainly backed him up on the matter.

Amidala's case is even weirder. Why would her getting a husband and having a bun in the oven be an end to her political career? It can't possibly be that big a deal, but she was confidant that the Queen of Naboo would pull her. Even if she had to take maternity leave for a while, she's got Jar Jar as a back up and it's not like they can't teleconference if she needs to spend some time at home (something likely, since Anakin would still be at war). Besides, people are going to notice that she's pregnant, particularly if she was carrying twins. Some women just don't show very aggressively, but she did show. She could try wearing really puffy clothing, which wouldn't be so unusual given Amidala's general fashion sense, but still, you'd think people would notice

Also, the movie even practically states that she didn't even know she was carrying twins, because she though she was carrying "Baby" (singular). This implies she hadn't been going to the doctor to make sure her baby was all right (as an ultrasound would have quickly made it appearant that she was carrying two buns as opposed to one). Even with the potential damper on her career, does it strike anyone else as horribly irresponsible that she wasn't seeing a physician for her pregnancy? I mean, she could have even called for a physican to check her out privately and confidentiality would have kept the nature of her visit a secret, even if the fact that she was visibly with child didn't make it clear.

Just some things that bothered me about the situation.

I'm curious as to what the consequences of being expelled from the Order are. Do they just take your lightsaber away and send you on your way? That would be fairly dangerous.

My guess is that she would get kicked out for getting married to a Jedi. That makes her an accomplice to the breaking of a major Jedi rule (I am not arguing if its a smart rule or not).

While the rule seems minor the potential for scandal would make her less than desireable in the senate.

The paranoid climate on Coruscant thanks to the war might have added to the felt need for secrecy with Padme.

We also don't know, how much "conservative" family-values play a rule on Naboo. Something, that would impede Amidala's "service to the state" wouldn't probabely be well received.

Uraniun235 wrote:I'm curious as to what the consequences of being expelled from the Order are. Do they just take your lightsaber away and send you on your way? That would be fairly dangerous.

In the case of Dooku seems thats exactly what they do. Makes no sense but there you go.

Dooku wasn't expelled.

He left of his own volition I believe.

I don't think the Order actually refuses to let anyone go on their way, it's just that, since the Order is the only family most Jedi ever know, few ever leave.

Crazedwraith wrote:

Uraniun235 wrote:I'm curious as to what the consequences of being expelled from the Order are. Do they just take your lightsaber away and send you on your way? That would be fairly dangerous.

In the case of Dooku seems thats exactly what they do. Makes no sense but there you go.

Dooku could be a special case since they did took the lightsaber away from the Exile.

IIRC, Dooku wasn't exiled. He left on his own.

Also, I belive he built his movie saber after he left the order, once he joined the sith. Have you ever seen a Jedi with a red saber? EVER?

Concerning Padme herself, I'm thinking along the lines of political sex scandal rhetoric.

Could also be along the lines of military personal not being allowed to date (i.e the USAF, unless that's just a plot device in SG-1)

Padme could be considered higher ranking then Anakin in the political structure of the Republic (duh), and that could be a no-no.


Either that, or being married to an Ex-Jedi or something

Pint0 Xtreme wrote:Concerning Padme herself, I'm thinking along the lines of political sex scandal rhetoric.

Yeah. That's what also pisses me off about nitpickers of the film: "how could she not know she had twins! Don't they have ultrasounds in Star Wars!"

Yeah, one of the major political figures in the galaxy shows up to a clinic with *two* buns in the oven, I'm sure that'll stay secret ...

Did it strike anyone as odd as cloak and dagger Anakin and Amidala had to be about her pregnancy/marriage?

No, for the simple reasont that the Old Republic has an over depedancy on the Jedi, at times bordering on theocracy. The Jedi have a huge amount of authority and given how they act I wouldn't put it past them to ruin Anakin and stigmatize Padme. The dark side of the Jedi Order as it were.

This implies she hadn't been going to the doctor to make sure her baby was all right (as an ultrasound would have quickly made it appearant that she was carrying two buns as opposed to one). Even with the potential damper on her career, does it strike anyone else as horribly irresponsible that she wasn't seeing a physician for her pregnancy?

It depends on when her last visit to the physician was and how premature the birth was. It seems like she wasn't showing much at all so they were probaby early by a fair margin.

Still, it wouldn't suprise me if she was risking things somewhat. Padme is rather disfunctional after all.

I think of it as would a married Catholic priest in American society be elected as president etc, people wouldn't accept it, and the institutions involved would shun it.

Solauren wrote:Could also be along the lines of military personal not being allowed to date (i.e the USAF, unless that's just a plot device in SG-1)

Most certainly a plot device. And when did they use that? I never recall them claiming that on the show.

Ender wrote:

Solauren wrote:Could also be along the lines of military personal not being allowed to date (i.e the USAF, unless that's just a plot device in SG-1)

Most certainly a plot device. And when did they use that? I never recall them claiming that on the show.

About Jack and Sam.

And its not a plot device. In the military, relationships are a no-no, especialy between people of different ranks, in that case I think its directly against regulations.

Chris OFarrell wrote:

Ender wrote:

Solauren wrote:Could also be along the lines of military personal not being allowed to date (i.e the USAF, unless that's just a plot device in SG-1)

Most certainly a plot device. And when did they use that? I never recall them claiming that on the show.

About Jack and Sam.

Their isue is the fact he is her CO, not that USAF personnel cannot date.

And its not a plot device. In the military, relationships are a no-no,

Like hell. Most of the people I work with are married or dating someone.

especialy between people of different ranks,

Only if there is a possibility of fratenization.

in that case I think its directly against regulations.

Yes, because it would be fratenization, not because the fact it would be a realtionship.

Stormbringer wrote:No, for the simple reasont that the Old Republic has an over depedancy on the Jedi, at times bordering on theocracy. The Jedi have a huge amount of authority and given how they act I wouldn't put it past them to ruin Anakin and stigmatize Padme. The dark side of the Jedi Order as it were.

I don't see how they could have ruined Anakin. They needed him, he was one of their best warriors and there are only a few thousand of them total... in a galatic wide war. I mean, he was powerful enough that they even bent the rules to let him in to the Jedi Order to begin with, they aren't going to give up a major asset because he went an took a wife. Particular since not all Jedi are as hardcore into the dogma as Yoda and Mace Windu were. Obi-wan would have stood up for him and he's as big a player on the council as most people.

It depends on when her last visit to the physician was and how premature the birth was. It seems like she wasn't showing much at all so they were probaby early by a fair margin.

Still, it wouldn't suprise me if she was risking things somewhat. Padme is rather disfunctional after all.

Wasn't she supposed to be several months pregnant at the start of the movie? Also, it depends on what she was wearing, but she was showing a good bit when she was wearing tighter clothing, particularly on Mustafar at the end.

Besides, those babies weren't premmies (looked nothing a premature baby and they'd have gone straight to an incubator if they were significantly early), so they couldn't have been that early. Even they she wasn't actually in labor, from the size of those babies, she was going to soon.

My impression about Padme having to leave the Senate was that the Queen wouldn't want her to have to divide her time between being a parent and a Senator, and certainly no one from Naboo would want to raise children on Courasant.

I didn't take Padme being replaced in the Senate as inherently being a punishment or to avoid or deal with a public scandal. It almost seemed like it would have been done for Padme's benefit. The only drawback is that if she was back on Naboo she would see Anakin even less if he were still with the Jedi, which is what I thought she was more concerned with than having to retire. In AOTC she'd already mentioned that she'd hoped to have been out of public office by then.

If it got out that the father was Anakin and that they were married I could see that being a scandal but more one of those media frenzy ones and not really one of all that much merit. I mean, Padme was fairly influential as a Senator but Anakin was "only" a Jedi Knight. Being the Jedi "poster boy" might actually get them some slack in the negative press. I'd probably still be all over the place if the media is anything like ours but I doubt it would have to be a big political thing.

I suppose some stink could be made about Anakin being married to the Senator from Naboo and the Supreme Chancellor (also from Naboo) having flexed his own political mussle to make Anakin the youngest ever on the Jedi council, and his own representative on the council. Of course, that's assuming anyone would last very long making accusations of favoritism by Palpatine.

That maybe it, Tsyroc, but given how fast they zip from planet to planet in StarWars, particularly in SW3 where they were practically doing instantaneous travel times in places, Amidala could have easily commuted to the Coruscant if she was really so much against raising her bundle in the big city. She might have to take maternity leave for a while, but that isn't a huge problem as she's got a back up and appears to be wildly popular anyway. The voters aren't going to give one of the great heros of Naboo the boot and finger for taking a few months, particularly if her baby's father is the guy who in his youth pretty much single handedly saved them from being wiped out by a Trade Federation pogrom. I'd think their reaction would be "Holy shit, you married THE Anakin Skywalker and are going to have his baby!?" and watch her popularity polls jump.

something to consider is that when he started with her then he was still a padawn and didnt show the level of power that he had in clone wars.

Apart from that Chances are that they would have put him in “solitary confinement” in training with someone like the darkwoman.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a Jedi make his (or her) own lightsaber?

If the Order decided to expel a member thereof, wouldn't stripping them of their saber be more of a ceremonial act than anything else, since if they chose to they could simply manufacture another one?

My knowledge of the EU universe is rather spotty, to put it mildly, so there might be some explanation in there of which I am unaware, such as difficulty in acquiring the necessary crystals and so forth. Obviously Dooko, Maul, and Sidious never needed Council approval for their sabers.