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Now that ROTS is finally out... EU Sightings?
Posted: 2005-06-06 09:19pm
by Kurgan
Has anyone compiled a list of the possible EU sightings in the new movie?
I'm talking characters, vehicles, locations, etc, not previously seen in the other two prequels. And if you remember, where those came from (as an example I hear that Aayla Secura was featured in a comic before she appeared in AOTC).
And by EU stuff I mean stuff that was featured in the EU first (C-Level) and now has appeared in this movie and thus "upgraded."
So I wouldn't count stray concept art, but stuff used in actual novels, games, or comics, etc.
Since I'm not a big expert on the EU (I'm so far behind I probably will never catch up).. thanks in advance!
Edit: I'm curious what people think about General Grevious. I mean he was featured in the CW series first iirc, but would he really be considered an EU character? I mean didn't Lucas create him for the movie all along? Because Boba Fett similarly appeared in the Star Wars Holiday Special as a cartoon character and then an action figure before he appeared in ESB. Opinions on this?
Posted: 2005-06-06 09:31pm
by Drunk Monkey
ARC troopers.
Garm bell Ibeus (in the novel if I remember correctly)
that’s all I can think of at the moment.
Posted: 2005-06-06 09:35pm
by Trooper TK12746
The fact that they never found Mace Windu's body screams EU. ANd bunch of books about the Jedi Purges. And some idiot might try to make Darth Vader look less evil by having the younglings in the council chambers escape.
Battle of Kashyyyk
Battle of Coruscant
Adventures of Yoda
Re: Now that ROTS is finally out... EU Sightings?
Posted: 2005-06-06 09:36pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Kurgan wrote:Edit: I'm curious what people think about General Grevious. I mean he was featured in the CW series first iirc, but would he really be considered an EU character? I mean didn't Lucas create him for the movie all along? Because Boba Fett similarly appeared in the Star Wars Holiday Special as a cartoon character and then an action figure before he appeared in ESB. Opinions on this?
Grievous was created as a movie character first. His creation predates his addition to the Clone Wars series.
Re: Now that ROTS is finally out... EU Sightings?
Posted: 2005-06-06 09:54pm
by Kurgan
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Kurgan wrote:Edit: I'm curious what people think about General Grevious. I mean he was featured in the CW series first iirc, but would he really be considered an EU character? I mean didn't Lucas create him for the movie all along? Because Boba Fett similarly appeared in the Star Wars Holiday Special as a cartoon character and then an action figure before he appeared in ESB. Opinions on this?
Grievous was created as a movie character first. His creation predates his addition to the Clone Wars series.
Ok. I had a hunch, but didn't know for sure.
I should probably qualify my question as relating to the movie itself. I'm told a lot of EU stuff was squeezed into the novelisation that didn't appear onscreen (but not enough of an EU buff to verify all that), plus stuff appears in script revisions that we haven't seen yet (but might on the DVD). Keep 'em coming!
Posted: 2005-06-06 10:01pm
by Old Plympto
As far as I know, EU characters in ROTS:
Whie from the recent novel Dark Rendezvous
Salporin from 1991's Heir To The Empire (but you'd be hard pressed trying to figure out which Wookiee he is, although he's in the Databank)
Juggernauts from 1990's Imperial Sourcebook (though its design came from Joe Johnston's unused concept art in Empire Strikes Back)
Any aurebesh lettering, IIRC there was at least one, on the big hatch on Obi-Wan's Venator when Anakin & Obi-Wan part ways as friends for the last time on Coruscant (Although the script style is based on the gibberish on the Death Star's monitor in ROTJ, actual readable aurebesh was created by designer Stephen Crane for WEG's RPG)
Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura's master was mentioned by name. He was scheduled to appear on Kashyyyk according to the script, but it looks like his Order 66 scene was never filmed.
Posted: 2005-06-06 10:08pm
by Kurgan
So which came first.. WEG Aurabesh or the ROTJ gibberish? I'm guessing the ROTJ version right...?
Posted: 2005-06-06 10:10pm
by Old Plympto
Posted: 2005-06-06 11:12pm
by 000
Whie is not an EU character. Like Grievous, Bly, Cato Neimoidia, and all of the new vehicles, he was created for the film and featured in the EU prior to its release.
EU things in the movie include:
- Juggernaughts (first appearance Imperial Sourcebook)
- Quinlan Vos (first appearance Republic #17)
- Aayla Secura (C-canonized in AotC) (first appearance Republic #19)
- Coruscant (C-canonized in TPM) (first apearance Heir to the Empire)
- Kashyyyk (first appearance Star Wars Holiday Special, named in Heir to the Empire)
- Salporin, although the name is a retcon for an unnamed extra (first appearance Heir to the Empire)
- The design for Bly and his clone troopers, as well as a couple of other Clone Commanders, is identical to that of the ARCs (first ARC appearance Republic #50)
- The 501st legion, although this is not named in the film (first appearance Survivor's Quest)
There may be others.
Posted: 2005-06-06 11:19pm
by Old Plympto
gladius wrote:Whie is not an EU character.
I stand corrected. Thanks, gladius.
gladius wrote:- Kashyyyk (first appearance Star Wars Holiday Special, named in Heir to the Empire)
The first time I
read the planet's name was in an old Russ Manning Sunday comic strip, though it was spelt Kazhyyyk then. The Marvel comics series also spelt it Kazhyyyk, IIRC. I wonder why they made the change from 'z' to 's' in HTTE...
Posted: 2005-06-06 11:23pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
For trivia's sake, Kashyyk was called Kazook in the Holiday Special.
Posted: 2005-06-06 11:25pm
by Old Plympto
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:For trivia's sake, Kashyyk was called Kazook in the Holiday Special.
Well to be precise, according to the article in SW Databanks it was spelt Kazook to prevent the actors' brains from exploding at the actual spelling of the planet.
Posted: 2005-06-06 11:49pm
by Ender
gladius wrote:Whie is not an EU character. Like Grievous, Bly, Cato Neimoidia, and all of the new vehicles, he was created for the film and featured in the EU prior to its release
Source? He's just a random padawan in the film, that it is the same person as in the EU novel comes from the ROTS novel. Looks more like a Stover EU tie in to me then that he was created and named for the fil for only that tiny bit and then given to the Authors.
Posted: 2005-06-07 12:28am
by 000
Can't provide a direct link, but various VIPs have confirmed that Whie was a RotS character who Reeves used in DR. Reeves himself confirmed this.
As far as Kashyyyk goes, I didn't realize it was named prior to HttE. Interesting.
Did they actually pronounce it Kazook in the Holiday Special, or Kasheek like in RotS? I would just skip through my copy, but that would cause to much pain.
Posted: 2005-06-07 06:07am
by VT-16
Wasn´t Kashyyyk Lucas' creation along with the description of the planet, or was it added later by EU authors?
Posted: 2005-06-07 06:16am
by Spanky The Dolphin
Way back in some of the early ANH drafts, Kashyyyk was called Yavin. Later in some drafts for RotJ, the Wookiees were on the Green Moon of Had Abaddon=>Endor (IIRC) before getting revamped as Ewoks.
Lucas wrote the basic story premise of the Holiday Special for CBS, but wasn't responcible for the horrors within. Kashyyyk/Kazook could have come from him.
Posted: 2005-06-07 12:59pm
by Master of Cards
gladius wrote:
- Juggernaughts
The aw6 (ROTS v) that jugg was a AW5 (it is smaller and other junk)
Posted: 2005-06-07 02:26pm
by VT-16
The Juggernaut-concept was still used in EU sources for almost 20 years.
Posted: 2005-06-07 05:24pm
by Xenophobe3691
Trooper TK12746 wrote:The fact that they never found Mace Windu's body screams EU. ANd bunch of books about the Jedi Purges. And some idiot might try to make Darth Vader look less evil by having the younglings in the council chambers escape.
Battle of Kashyyyk
Battle of Coruscant
Adventures of Yoda
Too late, you see the corpses of all the Younglings later on in the movie. It's when Yoda says that the wounds were made by a lightsaber...
Posted: 2005-06-07 06:16pm
by FedRebel
Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Too late, you see the corpses of all the Younglings later on in the movie. It's when Yoda says that the wounds were made by a lightsaber...
You sure? the body looked a little old for a child and Yoda said it was a Padawan that was done in by saber
Posted: 2005-06-07 07:02pm
by Kurgan
Cloned bodies. Duh!
Posted: 2005-06-08 12:10am
by Darth Yoshi
That was a different group of younglings. I doubt Vader would've been so lax as to let an entire group escape from the council room like that.