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...This has been done before, hasn't it? Oh well.

* Red vs. Blue. Changing of the Guard. Basically, we finally get to see the imperial guards in action, against the Senate guards. Force pikes and whatever else weapons non-Jedi elite warriors use a-blazin'.

*More action on the part of the Senate by anti-Imperialists. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Organa was the only good guy.

*The fate of Jar Jar Binks. I don't hate him as much as ignore him. He was the one who proposed starting the Army of the Republic, eh? And Palpatine's from Naboo, too? I wonder what he'll do to him.

*An explaination of why Chewbacca is important in the first place. Is he an elite warrior? A general's son? A commander? Why? I didn't see him do much, unless he was the wookie who attacked the droid tank.

*Frentic scenes in the Jedi Purge. Clones immediately shooting Jedis right after getting the message, warfilm-style. Aayla and the swoopriders' deaths were too clean. How about someone bursting into an HQ and shooting the surprised looking people? How about a clone shooting Jedi in the back?

*More martyr-style fights in the Jedi Purge. A Jedi can take, what, eight clones each at a time? The battles shouldn't have been all massacres. If they had more time to prepare, they could have had some spectacular fights. The entire Jedi Temple scene should have been a massive burly brawl, with dozens of Jedi Force-throwing clones as a human wall.

*Some more explanation of who Greivous is. Lucas is getting a bit like Wachowski, what with forcing people watch the sidestory to understand the significance.

*More martyr-style fights in the Jedi Purge. A Jedi can take, what, eight clones each at a time? The battles shouldn't have been all massacres. If they had more time to prepare, they could have had some spectacular fights. The entire Jedi Temple scene should have been a massive burly brawl, with dozens of Jedi Force-throwing clones as a human wall.

Anakin slaughtered most of the Jedi himself, (would still be cool to watch)

I think one twi'lek woman was shot in the back, by several clone troopeers. The scene cut to an angle that showed the prone body hidden by an outcrop of rock, surrounded by clonetroopers who continued to pump blaster fire into her twitchiing form, although you could only see her legs. They cut the scene to short for the horror to sink in, though.

With most of the Jedi scattered leading the clone army, which Palpatine would surely have taken care to arrange, there were probably few fully trained Jedi in the temple. Skywalker leading a legion of clones to their door might have raised eyebrows, but no immediate alarms.

General Brock wrote:I think one twi'lek woman was shot in the back, by several clone troopeers. The scene cut to an angle that showed the prone body hidden by an outcrop of rock, surrounded by clonetroopers who continued to pump blaster fire into her twitchiing form, although you could only see her legs. They cut the scene to short for the horror to sink in, though.

That Twi'lek woman was the Jedi Knight Aayla Secura.

Order 66 wrote:
That Twi'lek woman was the Jedi Knight Aayla Secura.

Thanks. She must be very popular in the games and books I haven't been following, given the disappointment at her demise all-round.

General Brock wrote:

Order 66 wrote:
That Twi'lek woman was the Jedi Knight Aayla Secura.

Thanks. She must be very popular in the games and books I haven't been following, given the disappointment at her demise all-round.

She's got breasts, a sword, and she's blue. The geeks LOVE her.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
She's got breasts, a sword, and she's blue. The geeks LOVE her.

Strange; my suddenly heart beats faster too. Um, they really should have given her more screen time and a line or two... minor character development to fill out the movie, you know.

I agree with everything there. I'm all for violence, so whatching the Imperial and Senate Guard duking it out with have really made my day. The Jar Jar thing should have been resolved. Perhaps with some spine, confronting Palps, then being chased by Clones. We know that Jar Jar can do some serious jumping, so it would have made for a fast paced, exciting scene. And it would have given haters of Binks the much wanted hot laser death.

Ford Prefect wrote:I agree with everything there. I'm all for violence, so whatching the Imperial and Senate Guard duking it out with have really made my day. The Jar Jar thing should have been resolved. Perhaps with some spine, confronting Palps, then being chased by Clones. We know that Jar Jar can do some serious jumping, so it would have made for a fast paced, exciting scene. And it would have given haters of Binks the much wanted hot laser death.

He shows up in the ROTJ celebration scenes apparently
Wesa Free.
Imperial stormtroopers crush rebel crowdmongerers.
Wesa Faargh.

Battlehymn Republic wrote:...This has been done before, hasn't it? Oh well.

* Red vs. Blue. Changing of the Guard. Basically, we finally get to see the imperial guards in action, against the Senate guards. Force pikes and whatever else weapons non-Jedi elite warriors use a-blazin'.

This just wouldn't work in the movie's plot. Palpatine controls the Senate, and the Senate guard is loyal to him. And man did I love the new helmets.

*More action on the part of the Senate by anti-Imperialists. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Organa was the only good guy.

This was shot for the film and it's in the novelization, unfortunately it was cut. Expect the various scenes with Mon Mothma and the other pro-liberty Senators to be in the DVD.

*The fate of Jar Jar Binks. I don't hate him as much as ignore him. He was the one who proposed starting the Army of the Republic, eh? And Palpatine's from Naboo, too? I wonder what he'll do to him.

Oh god no. The less we see of him the better.

*An explaination of why Chewbacca is important in the first place. Is he an elite warrior? A general's son? A commander? Why? I didn't see him do much, unless he was the wookie who attacked the droid tank.

Kashyyk was merely action for action's sake- filler material. Kashyyk was as good a place as any- and while you're on Kashyyk, hey, might as well put Chewbacca there.

*Frentic scenes in the Jedi Purge. Clones immediately shooting Jedis right after getting the message, warfilm-style. Aayla and the swoopriders' deaths were too clean. How about someone bursting into an HQ and shooting the surprised looking people? How about a clone shooting Jedi in the back?

Commander Bly did shoot Aayla Secura in the back. However, there were a few other scenes of Jedi deaths in the film that were either cut, or never shot. Luminara Unduli (surrounded and talking to her Clone officers, they pull out their pistols and shoot her) and Quinlan Vos (riding on top of a Juggernaut, another Juggernaut in the platoon blows his vehicle up).

*More martyr-style fights in the Jedi Purge. A Jedi can take, what, eight clones each at a time? The battles shouldn't have been all massacres. If they had more time to prepare, they could have had some spectacular fights. The entire Jedi Temple scene should have been a massive burly brawl, with dozens of Jedi Force-throwing clones as a human wall.

They were caught off balance, as Palpatine said. No one expected the Chosen One to walk through the temple doors with thousands of Clonetroopers at his back. In this regard, I would've liked a Troy like scene with Anakin slaughtering Jedi like Achilles was killing Trojans on the beach, and the music would, of course, be the theme when Luke attacks Vader in RotJ. Ahh, what could have been ...

*Some more explanation of who Greivous is. Lucas is getting a bit like Wachowski, what with forcing people watch the sidestory to understand the significance.

Meh, the EU does side stories. We never knew the stories of all those bounty hunters on Executor, they were still cool.

I personally would have liked to see a coronation ceremony scene for the Emperor

Yes, I would like to have seen more of the scene in which Palpatine declares himself Emperor. As it is now, it felt a bit watered-down (at least compared to the screenplay).

I would also have liked to see more of a connection with what Vader told Luke in ROTJ ("Obi-Wan once thought as you do."), especially as this is something that seemed to plague Vader (I've always felt that there is a tinge of regret in that scene).

irishmick79 wrote:I personally would have liked to see a coronation ceremony scene for the Emperor

Yes I always envisioned a massive cornation scence broadcast round the Republic and it be the end of the movie.
In the ideal verison it would have had the Empire's EU cast of villians in the front row as it scans down the varius soon to be Admirals, Moffs, Emperor's hands(Hint hint) and ends on a certian blueskined indivdual standing off to the side of the front row of seats...

It would have been nice to see a DBZ to back up the ICS

dragon wrote:It would have been nice to see a DBZ to back up the ICS

Don't you mean BDZ? Somehow I don't like the idea of seeing Dragon Ball Z intermingling with Star Wars.

Mange the Swede wrote: I would also have liked to see more of a connection with what Vader told Luke in ROTJ ("Obi-Wan once thought as you do."), especially as this is something that seemed to plague Vader (I've always felt that there is a tinge of regret in that scene).

I think in light of RotS, that scene may well be dubbed over to be "your mother once thought as you do." It makes a lot more sense. Obi-Wan made a token effort by compariosn.

Vympel wrote:

Mange the Swede wrote: I would also have liked to see more of a connection with what Vader told Luke in ROTJ ("Obi-Wan once thought as you do."), especially as this is something that seemed to plague Vader (I've always felt that there is a tinge of regret in that scene).

I think in light of RotS, that scene may well be dubbed over to be "your mother once thought as you do." It makes a lot more sense. Obi-Wan made a token effort by compariosn.

I disagree. Obi Wan did not come there with just killing Anakin in mind. It was Anakin's blind rage and suspicion that spun the situation out of control. He immediately tried to kill Padme and then went right into his tirade "if you're not with me you're agianst me." Obi Wan was trying to talk to him first but Anakin was not having any of it.

So perhaps Anakin thought about it over the last 20 years and in particular with Luke in the picture and he came to the realization that he was responsible for ramping up the tension in that confrontation to the point where the duel needed to happen. Remember Anakin attacked Obi Wan who was trying to talk him down. It was only when sabers were crossed that Obi Wan became all business.

At the same time don't underestimate Vader's looking at things differently over the years, much like Obi Wan whitewashing Vader's past perhaps vader is white washing the falling out with his master after seeing his son training under Obi Wan reminding him of his own tutelage under Obi Wan.

Firefox wrote:

dragon wrote:It would have been nice to see a DBZ to back up the ICS

Don't you mean BDZ? Somehow I don't like the idea of seeing Dragon Ball Z intermingling with Star Wars.

Umm yeah thats what I meant

The scene at the end with the Deathstar should have been seen from the Bridge of a Victory.

Or perhaps there could have been a Victory in the small flotilla with the Emperor's ship.

dragon wrote:

Firefox wrote:

dragon wrote:It would have been nice to see a DBZ to back up the ICS

Don't you mean BDZ? Somehow I don't like the idea of seeing Dragon Ball Z intermingling with Star Wars.

Umm yeah thats what I meant

No I would not mind seeing the deathstar destroyed with a sprit bomb.

But I would have liked to see more of a slid for Anakin. One second he is "what have I done" and the next it’s "yes master". I would like to see some thing in between.

What I mean is maybe he attacks the emperor and during the fight he is persuaded. Or some thing similar.

Stravo wrote: I disagree. Obi Wan did not come there with just killing Anakin in mind. It was Anakin's blind rage and suspicion that spun the situation out of control. He immediately tried to kill Padme and then went right into his tirade "if you're not with me you're agianst me." Obi Wan was trying to talk to him first but Anakin was not having any of it.

Obi-Wan simply lectured at him- he didn't make any attempt to engage him as Luke did, nor as Padme did.

So perhaps Anakin thought about it over the last 20 years and in particular with Luke in the picture and he came to the realization that he was responsible for ramping up the tension in that confrontation to the point where the duel needed to happen. Remember Anakin attacked Obi Wan who was trying to talk him down. It was only when sabers were crossed that Obi Wan became all business.

Obi-Wan wasn't trying to talk Anakin down at all- his mission given by Yoda was to destroy the Sith, and he went to Mustafar with that objective in mind, as made clear when Obi-Wan reacts to his orders. He made no serious effort to salvage what was left of Anakin, and it showed. Look at his conversation with Padme before he sneaks on her ship- "you're going to kill him, aren't you?" "he has become a very great threat" "Anakin's the father, isn't he? I'm so very sorry."

Would have really loved to have seen some of Padme's anti-Palpatine politcking. I can't believe they missed such an obvious opportunity to link up with the OT by having Mon Mothma be in it. I understand that those scenes were filmed so hopefully they'll be restored in the DVD.

Some kind of build-up to Palpatine declaring himself Emperor. It's a scene that I find quite hard to buy as it is. There really needs to be some kind of scene showing that Palpatine is universally adored by the Republic's citizenry, I don't think I've got that impression from AoTC, Clone Wars or RotS (film, I only have it from the novellisation).

Maybe a HoloNet reporter commenting on Palpatine's safe return? Although, that would perhaps be in a completely different style to anything in any of the six films. Alternatively an addition to the Jedi's 'ooh let's overthrow the Chancellor just cause we wanna' scene where Yoda could point out how loved the Chancellor is while Windu would make some immensely arrogant comment eg 'They will come to love us in time for revealing the evil of Palpatine.'

Well, I’ve always thought it funny that Aayla Secura, a stereotypically hot twi’lek, wears a tank top/halter top while all of the other Jedis wear robes. Hilarious.

Vympel wrote:

Battlehymn Republic wrote:...This has been done before, hasn't it? Oh well.

* Red vs. Blue. Changing of the Guard. Basically, we finally get to see the imperial guards in action, against the Senate guards. Force pikes and whatever else weapons non-Jedi elite warriors use a-blazin'.

This just wouldn't work in the movie's plot. Palpatine controls the Senate, and the Senate guard is loyal to him. And man did I love the new helmets.

Fine, but I still wanted to see the Emperor’s Royal Guards in action. And the Senate Guards didn’t use forcepikes, but staffs with mini-lightsabers at the ends! That’s pretty cool weaponry.

Vympel wrote:

*An explaination of why Chewbacca is important in the first place. Is he an elite warrior? A general's son? A commander? Why? I didn't see him do much, unless he was the wookie who attacked the droid tank.

Kashyyk was merely action for action's sake- filler material. Kashyyk was as good a place as any- and while you're on Kashyyk, hey, might as well put Chewbacca there.

The battles on Kashyyk seemed like trailer-teasers. There wasn’t much fighting shown, and Yoda’s relationship with the wookies is never explained. They should have at least explained why Chewie was so important- was he a commander? It just seemed so fake.

Vympel wrote:Commander Bly did shoot Aayla Secura in the back. However, there were a few other scenes of Jedi deaths in the film that were either cut, or never shot. Luminara Unduli (surrounded and talking to her Clone officers, they pull out their pistols and shoot her) and Quinlan Vos (riding on top of a Juggernaut, another Juggernaut in the platoon blows his vehicle up).

Yeah, but Aayla’s execution scene had no real desperation or massacre feeling to it. I really thought it was really blatant, how she turns around, gets shot down, and it wasn’t rapid at all. I’m talking about war movie-type purges, with people getting cut down with surprised looks on their faces, and purgers bursting into rooms and things like that.

Thats how it happened though, Jedi were just leading the troops, noticed they weren't being followed, and turned around. They were then shot/ I wished Palpatine could have force lightning'ed Jar Jar until he was a smoking black corps.