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Looked at the current VONG invasion map from the latest SW hardcover....
the Imperial Remnant is RIGHT NEXT to the vong's main invasion route...



so Why the hell hasn't the IR been taken out if it's so damn weak?

The Vong INvasion route goes right past the IR on their way to the Core,
which isn't shown on this SW.com map from 1999...

They're more organized. The Vong couldn't exploit political turmoil in the Remnant like it could in the Republic. The Empire is still highly millitarized. If there's one thing that Destiny's Way and the Enemy Lines duology has shown us, is that the Vong are weak, they just have superior numbers. The Empire would easily mop the floor with them. The Vong know enough not to fight a two front war, especially if the Empire could carve them up and cut off thier supply routes.

The Vong have been going at the Hutts, who are far less organized and lack a standing official millitary for about 3 years now.

The Imperials kicked production into high gear and cranked out at least 1 SSD, and an assload of Impstars. In terms of ships per planet, they dwarf the NR in military might. They Empire may only be 8 sectors. But they are a solid 8 sectors. Far better to get into a position of strength inside the NR and then mop up the imps later.

The New Republic was the greater threat, and the Empire represented a lesser return on the losses required to overwhelming it. The Vong needed to strike hard against the Republic and reach the Core before a really unified and organized front could be turned against them and everyone be fully ramped up for war.

Destiny's way would seem to indicate that they've gotten that far, but that there massive losses prevent its exploitation, the result is what's left is now really getting going and the Vong are getting smack down hard.

Better tactics might have brought total victory, but attacking the Empire would not be part of that.

The IR is well defended for such a 'small' area of space. The Vong probably planned on going after it later.

The Vong also may have wanted to avoid a two-front war.

The IR seems to finally be doing well for itself. With offical peace with the NR and imediate threat of destruction gone, the IR was able to afford to cease some of its ship production to allow for the construction of more shipyards and bigger shipyards. That and newly invested capital into the region because it is no longer criminal by the NR allowed the IR to recieve much more capital and time to rebuild their economy. With that done, the IR was able to then kick up their construction and they finally could build full scale warships rather then just service them. With that the IR fielded who knows how many ISDs and at least one SSD.

The IR is in a very good position regardless of their size and the Vong would be seriously hurting if it attempted to penetrate IR borders.

Because the IR would take too much forces for such a little force. And now...Imperial Smackdown may once again be seen.

Because the Vong didn't want a two-front war? Read Destiny's Way and it explains Imperial apathy toward the Yuuzhan Vong. Make no mistake. The tens of thousands of Vong ships could probably have steamrolled the Remnant. They just didn't want to waste time and knew the Imperials were isolationist and would wait things out a bit.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because the Vong didn't want a two-front war? Read Destiny's Way and it explains Imperial apathy toward the Yuuzhan Vong. Make no mistake. The tens of thousands of Vong ships could probably have steamrolled the Remnant. They just didn't want to waste time and knew the Imperials were isolationist and would wait things out a bit.

They wouldn't have Steam Rolled the IR quite like you are saying. Small as the IR is compared to the NR, it is very well organized and superbly led.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because the Vong didn't want a two-front war? Read Destiny's Way and it explains Imperial apathy toward the Yuuzhan Vong. Make no mistake. The tens of thousands of Vong ships could probably have steamrolled the Remnant. They just didn't want to waste time and knew the Imperials were isolationist and would wait things out a bit.

Bullshit. With the massive shipbuilding program, actual competent too excellent leaders, and defenses up the ass everywhere = a lot of dead Yuzzhan Vong.

Right. They were in a state of economic stagnation for quite awhile, and twice Pelleaon led campiagns against the supposedly weak New Republic. Immediately following up on the strikes made by Daala and her warlord coalition chronicalled in Darksabre, Pelleaon launched an invasion of New Republic-aligned territory (protectorates, allies, members?). In the process Pelleaon lost his own personal flagship, the Executor-class Commandship Reaper to the New Republic fleets. The invasion was nearly a total failure, failing to weaken the New Republic and gaining not even a sector, but reducing the Imperial sphere of influence even more. Even following up on the weaknesses in the Almanian incident and Yevetha campaigns Pelleaon failed. These attacks occured simultaneously from the Imperial state under Pelleaon in the Outer Rim, and the Imperial state in the Deep Core. Both attempts were crushed and more territory was siezed from Imperial control.

Two hundred ISDs (and a leftover Executor I believe is the Aggressor) is nothing to sneeze at, however, even in the harried state of the New Republic, they significantly outnumber the Empire and have affective leadership now. The New Republic was regularly turning out Strident and Mediator-class vessels that well out-mass an ISD by most accounts.

Pelleaon is in his eighties or nineties now. He took forty years to make line captain. He is no genius. Being Thrawn's sidekick does not make one a genius.

EDIT: The first invasion was a failure, but the Imperials didn't loose most of their territory until the failure of the second invasion--limiting it to eight sectors.

Anyone else think that that map is totally un Star Wars?

It's shitty at best, but there's not much to go one really. The best one I use is at the front of the 'Worlds of Episode I'. Other than that, it doesn't seem to Star Warsie to me.

The Imperial Remnant is actually not particularly weak. It still has a relatively strong military, particularly for its size. Moreover, the YV do not have the resources necessary to open another front of the conflict. Their invasion is stalling by the time of Destiny's Way.

The IR might be weak relative to the NR when compared as a whole, but with how the NR was using their ships (where a good many ships were allocated more for political reasons rather than strategic), having only 8 sectors to allocate their total resources to makes the IR a heck of a lot stronger per sector, and practically impossible for the Vong to play their "divide and conquer" trick.