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How many super-battle droids (the guys with the wrist mointed rapid fire guns) would it take to beat a Droidika (spinny shielded guys)?

How many standard battle droids?

It seems, given the power of droidikas, that the other common droids are kind of dead weight?

petesampras wrote:It seems, given the power of droidikas, that the other common droids are kind of dead weight?

Can a droideka go through a narrow doorway while firing? Can they restrain prisoners?

Do you understand the concept of making cost-effective decisions?

I agree for security purposed they have their limits, but the bulk of droid armies is made up of battle droids. Seems a smaller number of droidikas would function better?

Except that they wouldn't be able to mass produce them the way they can the others. Those shield generators are expensive.

Also generaly speaking the cost of combat droids tend to rise expotentially
, a magnadroid costs enough to retrofit an army and EU has 4 Droidekas cost enough to buy a moon (Damn EU minimalism).

Quite simply, quantity has it's own quality and for the price of one droideka you can build a few dozen battle droids, enough to overwhelm a jedi Padawan

I guess my question was if anyone had any info/ideas on the relative power scale of battle droids / super battle droids / droidekas?

I guess if a droideka costs a quarter of a moon, that would explain why the other types are more commonly used!

Well, considering how many moons there are in the galaxy...

Pcm979 wrote:Well, considering how many moons there are in the galaxy...

Really, does this source talk about what moon, or what kind? I would imagine some random gravity caught asteriod would be pretty cheap.

Pure Sabacc wrote:

Pcm979 wrote:Well, considering how many moons there are in the galaxy...

Really, does this source talk about what moon, or what kind? I would imagine some random gravity caught asteriod would be pretty cheap.

In the "Republic" comic, "The hunt for aurra sing", a pair of Sing says that for the price of 3-4 droidekas a pair of senators could have bought a moon.
(they already had )

Well, I guess it kinda makes sense if you assume that we're not talking about something all that big, and that iron, etc. is worth a lot less in SW than it is on Earth today. Kinda.

Alan Bolte wrote:Well, I guess it kinda makes sense if you assume that we're not talking about something all that big, and that iron, etc. is worth a lot less in SW than it is on Earth today. Kinda.

Problem is that the bounty on general Raiken's head is enough to buy a moon.
Guess the price of moon's rose after the Empire consolidated

cept that they wouldn't be able to mass produce them the way they can the others. Those shield generators are expensive.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t only the security model Droidika have shields.

the .303 bookworm wrote:In the "Republic" comic, "The hunt for aurra sing", a pair of Sing says that for the price of 3-4 droidekas a pair of senators could have bought a moon.

Have we considered the possibility that it may have been an exaggeration?

As for the application of droidekas, their functions are mostly limited to security, which would explain the infrequency of their appearance in battle next to standard battle droids (besides cost). On the battlefield, the effectiveness of their shields is reduced by the fact that tanks and aircraft with considerabley more powerful weapons just don't give a shit, which makes a single shield-equipped droideka much less useful than a dozen armed battle droids.

The droideka also has very limited mobility while in fighting mode, making it an easy target for heavy weaponry.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

the .303 bookworm wrote:In the "Republic" comic, "The hunt for aurra sing", a pair of Sing says that for the price of 3-4 droidekas a pair of senators could have bought a moon.

Have we considered the possibility that it may have been an exaggeration?

As for the application of droidekas, their functions are mostly limited to security, which would explain the infrequency of their appearance in battle next to standard battle droids (besides cost). On the battlefield, the effectiveness of their shields is reduced by the fact that tanks and aircraft with considerabley more powerful weapons just don't give a shit, which makes a single shield-equipped droideka much less useful than a dozen armed battle droids.

The droideka also has very limited mobility while in fighting mode, making it an easy target for heavy weaponry.

Yes but it still is a lot higher than normal battle droids.

When rolling Droidekas are fast, in open area they might concievably manage to keep out of aim, in a closed area when stationery they are deadly as has been seen in the movies.

the .303 bookworm wrote:When rolling Droidekas are fast, in open area they might concievably manage to keep out of aim, in a closed area when stationery they are deadly as has been seen in the movies.

Which is why he said they are better suited for security. On an open battlefield, they're sitting ducks, shields or no.

the .303 bookworm wrote:Yes but it still is a lot higher than normal battle droids.

No it isn't. You seem to misunderstand. "Fighting mode" constitutes when the droid is able to fight. While in this state, its movement is rather slow with those little stubby legs of theirs. A standard droid can run at significantly higher speeds while at the same time utilize their blasters; and as they are droids and never tire, they can do so indefinately.

When rolling Droidekas are fast, in open area they might concievably manage to keep out of aim

And therefore taking them out of the battle, if they do survive the onslaught somehow (the droidekas in the Geonosis arena were effortlessly shredded by LAATs, even as they attempted to flee). Nevermind that they are unshielded while in Wheel mode, meaning a stray blaster bolt will eliminate them.

in a closed area when stationery they are deadly as has been seen in the movies.

Which, as I said, is a security role which they excell at.

I've never seen a Droideka move when its shields are up, either. it seems to need to be stationary while shielded, though it can move and shoot (on those little legs) if the shield is down.

Darwin wrote:I've never seen a Droideka move when its shields are up, either. it seems to need to be stationary while shielded, though it can move and shoot (on those little legs) if the shield is down.

To be fair, the droidekas Anakin blasted in TPM were walking some with their shields up, but not much. At the least, the shields handicap a droideka's motion.

petesampras wrote:How many super-battle droids (the guys with the wrist mointed rapid fire guns) would it take to beat a Droidika (spinny shielded guys)?

How many standard battle droids?

It seems, given the power of droidikas, that the other common droids are kind of dead weight?

This is just stupid, frankly. To claim that the other droids are deadweight would be akin to claiming that the forces in the Confederacy or the Union ought to have ditched all the regular infantrymen and sharpshooters in order to fight the war exclusively with the big, unweildy Gatling guns of the period. Or, to bring up a modern example, that the USMC should dismiss all its general infantry in favor of a few Humvees with .50 cal machine guns.

A droideka serves the role of a heavy machine gun nest would in a modern army, or an E-Web setup would serve in the later Imperial army. However, you still need your snipers, MPs, general infantry, and other assorted sorts of soldier for a complete and effective military.

OMM-9 was a high ranking (possibly the highest ranking) General in the droid army and served until he was killed on Muulinist and replaced by Grievous.


He was a battle droid.

Can droidekas pilot ships? They can't even sit in a chair. They can't even pilot vehicles.

Battle droids are cheaper and the Neimodians of the Trade Federation are the kings of tightwadism. Thats why they controled their droid armies from a control ship, because it was cheaper to mass produce battle droids with no droid brains. Also, in ground battles, since these things can be mass produced on a large scale, the CIS could just throw waves of these things at clones and Jedi. Sometimes, quantity beats quality.

Firefox wrote:

Darwin wrote:I've never seen a Droideka move when its shields are up, either. it seems to need to be stationary while shielded, though it can move and shoot (on those little legs) if the shield is down.

To be fair, the droidekas Anakin blasted in TPM were walking some with their shields up, but not much. At the least, the shields handicap a droideka's motion.

Destroyers can move slowly and reposition themselves without dropping their shields, but they can't roll (unlike Armored Armadillo from MMX).

the .303 bookworm wrote:Also generaly speaking the cost of combat droids tend to rise expotentially
, a magnadroid costs enough to retrofit an army and EU has 4 Droidekas cost enough to buy a moon (Damn EU minimalism).

Quite simply, quantity has it's own quality and for the price of one droideka you can build a few dozen battle droids, enough to overwhelm a jedi Padawan

Heh, of course both the CW series and the Republic Commando game make it out to be there are dozens, if not hundreds of Magnaguards available, rather than just a small squad for Grevious's personal bodyguard.

And, from Star Wars Battlefront: Droidekas can't enter vehicles.. they are vehicles! It's a game, but in that game they can walk while shielded.

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:

petesampras wrote:How many super-battle droids (the guys with the wrist mointed rapid fire guns) would it take to beat a Droidika (spinny shielded guys)?

How many standard battle droids?

It seems, given the power of droidikas, that the other common droids are kind of dead weight?

This is just stupid, frankly. To claim that the other droids are deadweight would be akin to claiming that the forces in the Confederacy or the Union ought to have ditched all the regular infantrymen and sharpshooters in order to fight the war exclusively with the big, unweildy Gatling guns of the period. Or, to bring up a modern example, that the USMC should dismiss all its general infantry in favor of a few Humvees with .50 cal machine guns.

A droideka serves the role of a heavy machine gun nest would in a modern army, or an E-Web setup would serve in the later Imperial army. However, you still need your snipers, MPs, general infantry, and other assorted sorts of soldier for a complete and effective military.

In the ROTS novel Grevious makes a snap decision to preserve the "heavier" droids at the expense of the regular battle droid infantry on his ship. Then again Grevious is an idiotic dupe with a huge ego.

Heh, of course both the CW series and the Republic Commando game make it out to be there are dozens, if not hundreds of Magnaguards available, rather than just a small squad for Grevious's personal bodyguard.

In one of the Insiders, it is stated that there are indeed more Magnadroids than only Grevious's core group, perhaps two dozen. GG's group are the one's with the highest preformance records.

Wait, are you telling me that OMM-9 was actually the general of the droid army? How? The guy had no brain, like the rest of his battledroid cousins.