Noble Ire wrote:
Well, considering how many Jedi he has killed (directly evidenced by the movie) I'd say he isnt too much of a bitch.
Not necessarily. If we were going JUST BY THE MOVIE (hypothetically), we could guess that he acquired those lightsabers in other ways than fighting each Jedi hand to hand and murdering them. He could have simply gone around during the war and picking them up off Jedi corpses he located on the battlefield. A general need not engage in single combat with everyone he comes across. I actually pictured Grevious being a "cheater" in the honored tradition of Highlander series villians... let his henchmen "soften up" the person before he killed them. That's what those Magnaguards are for, etc. So even if he had to fight Jedi himself, he doesn't have to take them all on and win so easily. The CW stuff was pure wank.
And even if he were to say "I killed all these Jedi" it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that he was taking credit for the actions of the armies under his command. After all in real life a General can be credited with beating another General (saying "Patton defeated Rommel"), when in reality they didn't fight each other in a duel, one army just beat another. Since the Jedi act as Generals, it's perfectly reasonable analogy, again, if we go just by the movie. Obviously LoE and the CW series want us to imagine that Grevious approached each Jedi one at a time (or in groups of up to 4) and killed them through sheer brute force.
Is he really that scary? I don't see why he should be. Are Jedi scared of droids in general? Are they scared of aliens? Does a deep voice inspire fear? In CW the Jedi he faces act like he's got this Dark Side aura around him that stifles their powers (this lead me to believe that he was indeed imdued with Dark Side powers, before ROTS). Check out how panicy and crazed the Jedi all are. "He's unbeatable!" etc. When Obi-Wan faces him he just smiles and wisecracks with him almost like Spider-Man. He treats him like a joke. And it's not an act, Obi-Wan really is just that much better than Grevious.
Those Jedi whom Grevious killed.. they should have just Force pushed him, or cut off his limbs... we're to believe that the other Jedi are just not very smart, forgetting their own powers, etc? I can imagine him overcoming one Jedi through luck or ambush or after wearing him down with his army, but engaging groups of Jedi... it's just too wankish. And these weren't even supposedly to be padawans, but Jedi Council members and such.
Certainly, his LOE depiction isnt on par with clone wars, but its still quite impressive.
As a single soldier against conventional troops, Grevious is impressive yes, but against Jedi there's surely better ways to kill them than a droid (essentially) with four lightsaber arms. Jedi aren't immortal I know, but they go down way too easily against him. If the shroud of the Dark Side is limiting their powers so they are useless against him, then why does Obi-Wan have such an easy time?
The CW might also explain why GG behaves like a wimp in most of ROTS. Before the Coruscant battle episodes (which are more suspect) there is a training scene in which Dooku instructs GG that he should flee from more powerful Jedi if he lacks suprise, intimidation, and deception because if he doesnt, he'll get his ass kicked (as happens when he is unable to escape Obi-wan.)
That's interesting, because he insists on facing Obi-Wan directly (pushing aside his large army). I guess his ego got the better of him? He also insisted on using that force pike against Obi-Wan hanging off the edge instead of using the blaster on him (it was lying at his feet, he could have easily gone for it). Or even just get into his ship and take off?
So he runs from the only Jedi who could possibly defeat him, and he ends up dying.
I haven't read LoE, but if we're to believe CW, he can just waltz into a room with a group of Jedi, after making a pompous villian speech and just own them all. He can leap out of the way of any attacks them make and overwhelm them with his multiple arms that move faster than a Jedi can... somehow.
One thing I find interesting was how the novel (of ROTS) described the droids not only processing directives "at near lightspeed" but also MOVING at "near lightspeed." Is that anywhere near realistic? We certainly don't see this ability to move that fast in the movies...
Grevious is no wimp, he just smart enough to know he cant face a high level master openly.
And yet he does, and he loses. If we just go by the movie, we have nothing really to justify Grevious's fearsome reputation as a hand to hand fighter. His "collection" could easily have been collected off the battlefield. But this is Star Wars, where Generals don't just sit around commanding troops, they actually fight alongside, and are the best fighters, so whatever, I guess.
The idea that we have to assume that Windu's "attack" on him brought his performance down 99% and that Obi-Wan is just the most unbeatable and amazing Jedi in the universe is just annoying. He could have dealt with Kenobi per Dooku's "advice" but he didn't. Even when he was facing Anakin and Obi-Wan at the beginning, if this were CW Grevious, he would have easily killed them both, regardless of what Force stunts they pulled.
Why build up the villian so much if he's not going to have an opportunity to show off his incredible awesomeness in the actual movie? That I think is the problem. People were so impressed and pumped to see this wankish character kill off the Jedi all by himself (his character was created specifically to be a Jedi Killer we're lead to believe), and he ends up being a dope who fails to kill
anyone. At least Jango Fett and Darth Maul killed one person (Fett got two) before they got waxed in their one-movie wonder appearances.
Don't get me wrong, I like Grevious as a character, I just think the movie shows us what "should happen" to a guy like him, not these other portrayals that distract from it. It's okay for a villian to be ineffectual in one area. He was a good field commander, he just was unlucky in that his boss was using him as fodder in his master plan. His overconfidence was his weakness.
