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In ESB, Vader tortured Leia & company to get to Luke. He knew Luke would pick up on this via the force, and come running, whereupon he could hopefully be turned to the dark side.

In AoTC, Shmi was tortured for a long time, until Anakin picked up on it via the force and came running, whereupon he proceeded to turn toward the dark side.

Besides, what other purpose would the Tusken raiders have in keeping her for so long?

So, is it possible that Palpatine was behind that?

It would be cool if he was - the revelation of that fact in EpIII would be a "SW moment" worthy of standing shoulder to shoulder with "Luke, I am your father"

Probably not, that's as bad as having Palpatine be the father of Anakin.

According to the book, the Tuskens were keeping her to test her endurance, as they were planning more atacks on nearby settlements.

I don't know if Palpy will be behind the death of Anakin's mother. I would bet Palpy felt Anakin's distress over the loss of his mother.

I do feel he will be somehow behind the death of Padme. Palpy would then turn around and place the blame on the Jedi order. It would be a good way to justify Obi-wan's comment about Vader hunting down and killing most of the Jedi.

I doubt it. Not everything was done by Palpatine. he didn't too do everything too acheive power. Just loosen a few parts here and there nand he has himself an Empire. Just guide things your way, and n his power he didn't have too do that much.

Might be. We just don't know. But it seems to much of a coincidence that Shmi would die just as Anakin reached her.... could Palpy perhaps sapped her lifeforce with the Force, timing it just right fir when Anakin arrived? I know it's a long shot, but it is possible.

Sounds doubtful. I don't think so.

I doubt it. Palpatine doesn't have to be behind every evil act in SW you know.

neoolong wrote:I doubt it. Palpatine doesn't have to be behind every evil act in SW you know.

Yes he is. Don not doubt the power of the Force. He is also what caused my dog to barf. And what caused Ian Mckellen (aka Gandalf) to turn gay.
LOL.

Palpatine has no morals whatsoever, but I don't think he'd have a friend's mother tortured just for kicks. Well, at least not the prequil-era Palpatine (as far as we've seen).

Well listening to the commentary Geoge didn't mention anything with regards to that, only that he wanted to demonstrate a little more than was shown in TPM about why people hated the Tusken Raiders.

I doubt it, as it wouldn't make any sense.

And I think Lord Dum-Dumb up there needs to shut the fuck up.

Irritating brat...

Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

neoolong wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.

I have to disagree with the statement that not everything went Palpatine's way. I think up until Endor, Palpatine's scheming was perfect. So far in the prequels things are going great for him.

He hasn't had any setbacks at all. Darth Maul's death was planned by Palpatine, who needed him to kill Qui-Gon and put Anakin in the hands of an inexperienced Jedi. Maul would have been useless in the coming Clone Wars, he needed a new apprentice then...a diplomatic one.

While Anakin is a vergence in the force, I believe that Palpatine is too. Palpatine had the ability to shroud the future from the eyes of the Jedi, while he could perceive it perfectly and bend it to his needs. The only one who he could not see was Anakin, the other vergence in the force. This is why Anakin/Vader was a threat to him, and this is why he did not see his death at Endor.

Steven Snyder wrote:I have to disagree with the statement that not everything went Palpatine's way. I think up until Endor, Palpatine's scheming was perfect. So far in the prequels things are going great for him.

He hasn't had any setbacks at all. Darth Maul's death was planned by Palpatine, who needed him to kill Qui-Gon and put Anakin in the hands of an inexperienced Jedi. Maul would have been useless in the coming Clone Wars, he needed a new apprentice then...a diplomatic one.

While Anakin is a vergence in the force, I believe that Palpatine is too. Palpatine had the ability to shroud the future from the eyes of the Jedi, while he could perceive it perfectly and bend it to his needs. The only one who he could not see was Anakin, the other vergence in the force. This is why Anakin/Vader was a threat to him, and this is why he did not see his death at Endor.

Palpatine has had setbacks he just planned for all or most variables too enter the equation. "No plan survives the first combat action," a 20the century tactican wrote, and that is Palpatine's case. He has uit setup anyways it goes it goes too him.

Slartibartfast wrote:

neoolong wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.

I meant when he was Emperor he didn't have a backup plan. He didn't plan on having to get rid of both Vader and Luke. So he ended up taking a long trip.

neoolong wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

neoolong wrote: It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.

I meant when he was Emperor he didn't have a backup plan. He didn't plan on having to get rid of both Vader and Luke. So he ended up taking a long trip.

I think people attribute too much to the Emperor's planning abilities. Why can't he simply have an agile mind that allows him to remedy the unforeseen problems as they appear? Sure, he might have had one or two backup plans but not for every single probability in the equation.

In any case, his plans weren't made like a castle of cards, they were broad enough and allowed for a large error margin. I simply can't believe that he planned: A or B can happen. If A use plan A1. If plan A1 fails use plan A1.1.

Slartibartfast wrote:I think people attribute too much to the Emperor's planning abilities. Why can't he simply have an agile mind that allows him to remedy the unforeseen problems as they appear? Sure, he might have had one or two backup plans but not for every single probability in the equation.

In any case, his plans weren't made like a castle of cards, they were broad enough and allowed for a large error margin. I simply can't believe that he planned: A or B can happen. If A use plan A1. If plan A1 fails use plan A1.1.

But if he was to have a backup plan the most logical thing that would have gone wrong to plan for was for Luke to not turn. Which happened. The second most being Vader to not do his job, which also happened. I understand not having contigents for everything, but these are the two things that an intelligent dictator should have accounted for.