a SE/DVD question

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 03:10pm

was there any critical changes to the story in the Special Edition and/or the DVD Edtion of SW or were all chages minor and/or cosmetic (and Greedo shoting first is minor and anyway it was fixed in the DVD edition).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-14 03:13pm

There were no changes to the story whatsoever.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-14 03:14pm

Except the Emperor using a completely different speech about the children and Han having now an even more insane abilty of firing...no real changes.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2005-08-14 03:15pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Except the Emperor using a completely different speech about the children and Han having now an even more insane abilty of firing...no real changes.

wheres the flight changes? flying out of mos eisley?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-14 03:16pm

Lord Revan wrote:was there any critical changes to the story in the Special Edition and/or the DVD Edtion of SW or were all chages minor and/or cosmetic (and Greedo shoting first is minor and anyway it was fixed in the DVD edition).

Aside from Greedo, the only changes that remotely effected the story were the Emperor's dialogue in ESB, and the change of the Anakin force ghost at the end of RotJ. The first is more questionable, and raises the question of when Vader discovered Luke was his son (although I really have never found the change that significant.) The force ghost IMO, which switches out Sebastian Shaw for Hayden Christensen, isnt a problem, just a continuity alteration. For me, the scene is fine either way, although I wish the image of Hayden they had used was less...creepy.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 03:17pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Han having now an even more insane abilty of firing...no real changes.

how?

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2005-08-14 03:17pm

In the original version Obi-Wan killed Vader when the old fart slipped on a taco.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 03:18pm

Pcm979 wrote:In the original version Obi-Wan killed Vader when the old fart slipped on a taco.

not funny. I've seen the orginals, so no dumm jokes please.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-14 03:21pm

You mean "so no 'dumm' jokes please."

Damn it, Revan, you seriously need to work on this whole dropping random words thing.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 03:22pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You mean "so no 'dumm' jokes please."

thanks

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-14 03:24pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Han having now an even more insane abilty of firing...no real changes.
how?

In one his reflexes allow him to dodge a point blank shot.

Another allows him to shot not more then half a micro second after the bolt is within his field of vision.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2005-08-14 03:34pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You mean "so no 'dumm' jokes please."
thanks

Not only that, but dumb is spelled well, dumb.

In related news, something not mentioned above ^ is the added scene in ANH where Han talks to Jabba.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 03:44pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Han having now an even more insane abilty of firing...no real changes.
how?
In one his reflexes allow him to dodge a point blank shot.

Another allows him to shot not more then half a micro second after the bolt is within his field of vision.

I don't see it that that way, I assume that intent and the "order" to move and fire happend before Greedo's shot left the barrel (since Han probaly knew that Greedo is gonna shoot him sooner or later.)

In related news, something not mentioned above ^ is the added scene in ANH where Han talks to Jabba.

how is that a critical change?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-08-14 04:01pm

It´s not. Please, no more "adding SFX = critical change", ok?

Nothing new is presented in the Han/Jabba scene, other than Jabba being somewhat nicer to Han back in the day.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 04:21pm

OK since there seem asshole purists who think every change is critical.

SFX change = cometic
SFX addition = Cometic (as such)
Dialoge change (while keeping the meaning)= minor/cosmetic
Adding dialoge that states clearly something that previously only implied = minor.
Changing Voice actor on character = minor/cosmetic.

nothing said so far do not change anything in the main storyline.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2005-08-14 04:25pm

You need a valium, Revan. I personally *do* think the scene is a critical change, since Han literally walks all over Jabba in that scene. It seriously changes their implied relationship from what viewers who only saw the original version would have gotten.

It's the most critical change you're going to find, anyway.

Instant Sunrise · Post by **Instant Sunrise** » 2005-08-14 04:35pm

There is also the Biggs scene on Yavin in ANH, the changing of Sebastian Shaw force ghost to Hayden Christensen in RotJ, and Vader's return to the Executor from Cloud City.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-14 04:40pm

skyman8081 wrote:There is also the Biggs scene on Yavin in ANH, the changing of Sebastian Shaw force ghost to Hayden Christensen in RotJ, and Vader's return to the Executor from Cloud City.

cosmetic or minor

EDIT:a Major change is something that changes the MAIN storyline.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-08-15 02:13am

Boba Fett also is working with Jabba and meets Han on Tatooine all the way back in ANH.

Stormtroopers really are clumsy and bump their heads periodically, a genetic defect they inherited from Jango Fett (of course you could say this was just because Lucas emphasized a gaffe purposely... making it canon).

The most critical change is that now Luke blocks Vader's surprise assasination attempt on Palpatine, leading to their saber duel in ROTJ.. (just kidding).

By Revan's definition the only "major" changes were done with the prequels in relation to the OT.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2005-08-15 04:25am

Well, I think the Emperor's new dialouge in ESB is a major change. Not really to the movies, but to the EU.
Before we all kinda assumed that Vader had already figured out who Luke was. Now, it seems as if the Emperor is revealing the info right there.

1980:
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not
become a Jedi.
VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

Now, for anyone seeing this for the 1st time in 1980, having no prequells, this scene is fine, as is the dialouge because we don't yet know that Vader is Luke's dad and actually it would still be fine IF you go by the EU and the fact that Vader already figured out who Luke was. But the new dialouge establishes pretty clearly that Vader is just finding out he has a son.

2005:
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy -- the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
VADER: How is that possible?
EMPEROR: Search your feelings Lord Vader, you will know it to be true. He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not
become a Jedi.
VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.

The new lines, while subtle, invalidates quite a bit of EU material.

DoctorPhanan · Post by **DoctorPhanan** » 2005-08-15 04:44am

Sorry, maybe I'm just dense, but how does it invalidate "quite a bit of EU Material"?

Personally, I feel the worst change they made (although only cosmetic) was the green lightsaber scene in ANH. That really just pissed me off for some reason.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2005-08-15 05:00am

Well I don't know how much really, but it would invalidate anything that even remotly hinted that Vader knew who Luke was... or that he knew his last name was Skywalker. I know there are a few comic stories. Splinter Of The Minds Eye, although I don't know where that novel falls in the "cannon" list and maube some others.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2005-08-15 05:12am

DoctorPhanan wrote:Personally, I feel the worst change they made (although only cosmetic) was the green lightsaber scene in ANH. That really just pissed me off for some reason.

What made me mad was that they didn't make the blade look better in the next coulple of scenes... I doubt most people even noticed the green blade.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-08-15 02:21pm

havokeff wrote:Well I don't know how much really, but it would invalidate anything that even remotly hinted that Vader knew who Luke was... or that he knew his last name was Skywalker. I know there are a few comic stories. Splinter Of The Minds Eye, although I don't know where that novel falls in the "cannon" list and maube some others.

Splinter of the Mind's Eye is completely contradicted by Empire Strikes Back, IIRC.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-08-15 03:00pm

havokeff wrote:
DoctorPhanan wrote:Personally, I feel the worst change they made (although only cosmetic) was the green lightsaber scene in ANH. That really just pissed me off for some reason.
What made me mad was that they didn't make the blade look better in the next coulple of scenes... I doubt most people even noticed the green blade.

I'm sure everyone noticed the green blade (except those who were color blind or had their tv colors messed up perhaps), the question is if they noticed it was different than the other shots of the same saber. I'm guessing a lot of people would have missed that since the color changes are most noticable when you pause or take screen caps, or you're looking for it. And unless you have a good memory about prior scenes, you may not notice it. But the colors are so vibrant it's pretty hard to miss.

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