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Size of the Old Republic, Empire and New Republic.

Posted: 2005-08-27 07:19pm
by xerex
Three questions arising from a thread below.

What portion of the SW Galaxy did the Old Republic control ?
What portion of the SW Galaxy did the Empire control ?
What portion of the SW Galaxy does the New Republic control ?


consider

The Phantom Menace gives the size of the Republic as 1042 Sectors.
How large a sector is and if they vary in size is unknown.

The prequels also suggest that the entire galaxy has been mapped and explorations are being made into two neighbouring mini galaxies. However are places like Kamino actually under the control of the Republic?

The EU however gives huge portions of the galaxy as being outside both the Empire and the New Republic post Endor.

the Unknown Regions given as being the equivilanet of 250 sectors
Ssi Ruuk space was completely independent.
Wild Space is nominally under control but in practice a bit like the Wild West before the gold and land rushes.

Is Hutt space under Republic control? was it under Imperial control? what about the Corporate Sector and the Hapans ?

Posted: 2005-08-27 07:39pm
by Glimmervoid
I am probably wrong about this but hear goes.

I would say that the new republic controls the least land. They share with not only what’s left of the empire but also a lot of other people. I was once told 2/3 of the empire so about a half.

The Old republic second most. No idea how much

And the empire with the most because i remember talk about the empire examining the borders (to include places like Tatooine). I was told three quarters once.

Posted: 2005-08-27 08:20pm
by Noble Ire
I would say that the new republic controls the least land. They share with not only what’s left of the empire but also a lot of other people. I was once told 2/3 of the empire so about a half.
While this may be true, by the time of the Vong invasion, Imperial space was virtually inconsiquential, around the size of Hutt space, if not smaller (even if it was more heavily armed and populated.)

It may not be relevant, but at the height of the Clone Wars, the OR controlled 1.2 million inhabited worlds (although the number may only mean significant ones.)

Posted: 2005-08-27 08:28pm
by Elheru Aran
Don't you mean 1.2 million inhabitated worlds? Because I'd very much like to see .2 of a world... :P

Posted: 2005-08-27 08:36pm
by Noble Ire
Elheru Aran wrote:Don't you mean 1.2 million inhabitated worlds? Because I'd very much like to see .2 of a world... :P
:shock:
Sorry about that, yes, its 1.2 million (from Shatterpoint.)

Fixed.

Posted: 2005-08-27 09:34pm
by Publius
The "galaxy far, far away" is 120,000 light years in diameter, according to Shield of Lies. In "The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett," it is said that there are entire Sectors that a well-traveled bounty hunter like Boba Fett would never have heard of, and that the galaxy contains "over four hundred billion stars, over twenty million intelligent species"; a tridimensional solid screen showing "a million star systems" in Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker is said to represent "a tiny portion of the galaxy," and Han Solo claims that there are "twelve million inhabited star systems out there" in Dark Empire. The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, Second Edition states that the Galactic Republic "embraced over a million member worlds, and countless more colonies, protectorates, and governorships" with "nearly 100 quadrillion beings" as Republic citizens spread out over "nearly fifty million systems" (a backwater Sector like the "lightly populated" Chommell Sector in the Mid-Rim Region can contain "36 full-member worlds, more than 40,000 settled dependencies, and 200,000,000 barren stars" in a Republic "with more than 1,000 sectors," according to Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections). Thus, the Republic and Empire can be said to comprehend some one million full member states and approximately 49 million more sub-state entities; the Empire is known to have reorganized some Sectors and created new ones, in addition to annexing territories not formerly included within the Republic, and so can probably be expected to be somewhat larger in territorial scope than the Republic.

The Republic and the Empire should be thought of not as single, all-encompassing entities, but rather as the sole galactic superpowers of their era. There exist some quite large states independent – in name or in fact, or both – of both governments, such as the Hapes Consortium, the Centrality, the Corporate Sector, the Tion Hegemony, the Senex-Juvex Sectors, Hutt Space, &c., but none of these other regional powers have the ability to project power and influence on a galactic level the way the Republic and the Empire do. Although both are quite large, there do exist other states in the galaxy, but no other states operate on a truly galactic scale. The term "galaxy's only superpower" is apt.

PUBLIUS

Posted: 2005-08-28 12:20am
by Darth Fanboy
but the Empire brought systems such as the Hapan Consortium under their control didn't they? In "Courtship of Princess Leia" i'm sure Wolverton metnions at least once that the HApans were under Imperial rule for a time, though granted with a measure of autonomy that let them keep their societal structure. The Hutts probably also to an extent, Tatooine was considered "Hutt Space" in TPM but there was an Imperial Garrison by the time of ANH

Posted: 2005-08-28 04:10am
by Publius
In the first place, it should be noted that the Imperial State exerts influence beyond its own jurisdiction via a system of puppet regimes, local New Order Parties and sympathetic homegrown Palpatinist groups, and satellite states (the preferred Imperial term is evidently "client state"). The Imperial Sourcebook, Second Edition mentions client states like the Corporate Sector and Hutt Space. A good illustration of the relationship the Empire maintains with its satellite states is found in Mission to Lianna, which mentions that Robeir XXIII, King of the Cronese Mandate, "rules as a client king" and "pays court to the Emperor"; nevertheless "a large Imperial presence is used to keep the level of authority in the proper perspective." This is likely the situation of the Hapes Consortium.

The Empire entered the Hapes Consortium on at least two occasions, once when Darth Vader and his "Dark Knights" came hunting for fugitive Jedi (mentioned by the Ta'a Chume in The Courtship of Princess Leia) and once shortly after the Battle of Yavin in 35, when GADM Osvald Teshik was ordered to invade with insufficient forces in "Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals" as punishment for his failure to put a stop to the antics of the mutinous frigate HIMS Far Orbit in The Far Orbit Project. Despite this, the Hapes Cluster is not known to have ever been fully under Imperial control.

As for the New Republic, as of the Black Fleet Crisis it is actually quite small. The Princess Leia of Alderaan, Chief of State of the New Republic, describes the New Republic in Before the Storm as follows:
"The New Republic is a mutual self-protection pact among four hundred sentient species, and an economic partnership between eleven thousand inhabited worlds," said Leia. "But you'll find that the autonomy of member worlds is hardly compromised at all – "
Assuming that her statement is literally correct and precise, the New Republic as of 51 controls less than a single percent of the territory controlled by the Galactic Republic and the Galactic Empire. Of course, there are "independent allies" of the New Republic (like Belsavis in 51 in Children of the Jedi); it is unknown how many such allies the New Republic has, and whether or not quasi-independent members like the Hapes Consortium – a primary member of the New Republic under the terms of the Hapan Treaty of 47, albeit one that rigorously maintains its autonomy and self-defense prerogatives – were included in her count.