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Imperial Paperwork...

Posted: 2005-09-25 05:28pm
by Crossroads Inc.
Just out of curiosity... how Anal was the Empire about what you did and what you needed to do to get something done?

If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters? Or if you wanted a large starship, would you have to sign ten tons of paperwork and registration papers? I mean it IS a Galactic sized Empire, you would think they would try and know about as much that goes on as possible, mostly to make a buck off it I assumeā€¦

I know this may seem a bit odd asking about it, but it's something I kinda need to know about...

Posted: 2005-09-25 05:39pm
by Noble Ire
In one of KJA's books, there is a group of former Imperial accountants who fled into the Coruscanti undercity because they made a small accounting error that had some minimal economic effects and feared for their lives. I'm not sure how relevant that is though...

Posted: 2005-09-25 06:04pm
by Quadlok
Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.

Posted: 2005-09-25 08:26pm
by Star Wars Fan
if you wanted your business to thrive, you had to be a supporter of the Empire, maybe even a vocal one. joining COMPNOR would help, also. if you were non-human you would have a harder time, maybe impossible.

Posted: 2005-09-25 09:19pm
by Elheru Aran
The answer: Lots and lots and lots and lots of droids.

....You weren't talking about *how* they got the paperwork done? Oh. :oops:

Posted: 2005-09-25 09:23pm
by Lord Sabre Ace
I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:06am
by Srynerson
My inclination is to say that most regulation takes place on the planetary/system level, although there obviously is also some degree of Empire-wide regulation. The WEG sourcebooks typically described the legality of various substances and devices in terms of planetary regulation and there would be tremendous problems in trying to devise uniform regulations for systems with literally innumerable combinations of planets/environments/intelligent species/population densities/tech levels/etc. While I doubt there is any source that actually explores this idea, a good model would be the European Union. The E.U. Commission usually doesn't draft comprehensive regulatory schemes. Instead, it more commonly issues what are called "directives" to the member states. A directive is a set of guidelines for achieving some sort of policy goal, but the member states are free to devise their own procedures within those guidelines and they are responsible for enforcing them. That sort of practice would fit with the description in the WEG books that the vast majority of planets were never directly under Imperial administration.

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:10am
by Crossroads Inc.
Thank you all! these are exactly the sorts of things I'm looking for...

Mostly PLanatary Paperwork,
Lots of Imperial Bootkissing,
Be Human, Ah yes,

How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:12am
by Noble Ire
Crossroads Inc. wrote:Thank you all! these are exactly the sorts of things I'm looking for...

Mostly PLanatary Paperwork,
Lots of Imperial Bootkissing,
Be Human, Ah yes,

How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?
With credits, I would assume. After all, even Stormtroopers have been bribed from time to time.

Re: Imperial Paperwork...

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:24am
by Srynerson
Crossroads Inc. wrote:If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters?
Sorry to double-post, but I realized there's canon material addressing this point. In ESB, Lando tells Han and Leia that Cloud City is "small enough" that it doesn't fall under "Imperial jurisdiction". Leia then says "you're part of the mining guild then," to which Lando replies that Cloud City isn't because it is "small enough not to be noticed". This implies a multi-layered regulatory system: Imperial --> Guild --> Planetary? One could speculate that a certain level of revenue/production/employees/etc. is necessary per standard year to subject a business to direct Imperial regulation.

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:40am
by Spanky The Dolphin
Quadlok wrote:Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.
Coruscant.

Posted: 2005-09-26 02:34am
by Quadlok
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Quadlok wrote:Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.
Coruscant.
One day, I'll get that right. Until then, I'll just keep providing you with one more reason to post.

Posted: 2005-09-26 10:39am
by Lord Revan
I don't why people would misspell Coruscant, after all pronounced "corusant" or "curusant (by the naboo pilot in TPM)" in the movies.

Posted: 2005-09-26 11:20am
by Deathstalker
Crossroads Inc. wrote:How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?

It would depend on the person in question, just like everything else. Don't make the mistake that all Empire people are brainwashed fanatically loyal beings. For every fanatically loyal customs official, there are probably a half dozen looking to make a couple of extra credits. I imagine that the Imp Bueracracy is so big that there are plenty of ways to make money and not get caught. Depends on whether the being in question thinks he can get away with it.

Posted: 2005-09-26 12:25pm
by Ender
Lord Sabre Ace wrote:I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.
I don't think Palpatine would be afraid of the Rebellion at all. This is a guy who can see the future after all, a major advantage over modern day tyrants. In fact, a plausible argument can be made that, as with the CIS, he funneled some "help" to the rebellion to use it towards his own ends. A debatably rebel sympathizer was in command of Death Squadron for crying out loud.

The only thing he seemed to fear were death, Vader usurping him, and the possible return of the Jedi order.

Posted: 2005-09-26 01:00pm
by Tychu
Lord Sabre Ace wrote:I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.
Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)

Posted: 2005-09-26 01:40pm
by Crossroads Inc.
Tychu wrote:Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)
Dude, are you serious? Trading companies would have to go undefended rather then chance a company getting armed warships? Dude... that soooo Puts a crimp on what I was planning.

Posted: 2005-09-26 01:53pm
by Darth Fanboy
Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?

Posted: 2005-09-26 02:08pm
by Star Wars Fan
Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?
yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)

Posted: 2005-09-26 02:14pm
by Lord Sander
Tychu wrote:Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)
Uhm, it's an established fact that you can purchase fighters as a civilian and companies are still allowed to buy private armies and navies. There are plenty of mercenary armies out there too.

Posted: 2005-09-26 09:09pm
by Crossroads Inc.
Star Wars Fan wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?
yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)
Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?

Posted: 2005-09-26 09:15pm
by Noble Ire
Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Star Wars Fan wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?
yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)
Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?
I think they just bought them (Clone War surplus), and (presumably)agreed not to interfere with Imperial affairs.

Posted: 2005-09-26 09:25pm
by Lord Sabre Ace
That's not unprecedented in real life, as well. The British East India Trading Company had its own private Army.

Re: Imperial Paperwork...

Posted: 2005-09-27 12:49am
by Spetulhu
Srynerson wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters?
In ESB, Lando tells Han and Leia that Cloud City is "small enough" that it doesn't fall under "Imperial jurisdiction". Leia then says "you're part of the mining guild then," to which Lando replies that Cloud City isn't because it is "small enough not to be noticed".
I always thought Cloud City was an illegal operation. Lando left out all registration in order to sell to anyone he wants at a price he likes and without paying taxes.

Posted: 2005-09-27 06:27pm
by Star Wars Fan
Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?
in exchange for giving surplus materials and monies to the Empire, Palpatine allowed the CSA to govern itself, and made it easy for the CSA tobuy old Victory-class Star Destroyers during the upgrade to the mperators. when theOld Republic didn't buy the Marauders, CSA bought them, and the Invincibles dated form the Old Republic. maybe they were bought/salvaged?