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Not too sure if I should post them here.

The scenes:
Greivous Kills Shaak Ti (I thought Anakin Kills her)
Yoda Arrives a Dagobah
Anakin and Obi Wan in the Invisible Hand's Fuel tank.

thank you

Lousy cunt-rotten sellout fuckers stole that shit from MF.com...

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/v ... 67341335c2

EDIT: Um, partial nevermind; Darth Psychotic already told them where to stuff their rags...

They stole it from SuperShadow's pal George Lucas fair and square!



Comments (spoilerified just in case anyone cares):


Nice to see the death of Shaak is NOT a combat death, but the execution of an unarmed prisoner. At first I feared more Grevious wanking! Another kill stolen from Anakin though, bummer.

Hmm, wouldn't the molten edges of that floor plate "ignite the fuel"? Then again perhaps it's not that combustable...

How did Yoda keep his robes so clean???

Pity the Qui-Gon scene isn't mentioned anywhere.


This is somewhat surprising though, as I'd basically just expected dialouge scenes, like the "Birth of the Rebellion" conference and some more lovely-dovey crap.

Spoilers? Hah. Impossible.

Kurgan wrote: Nice to see the death of Shaak is NOT a combat death, but the execution of an unarmed prisoner. At first I feared more Grevious wanking! Another kill stolen from Anakin though, bummer.

Not at all- that's an early deleted scene before the revision of the script- the released script has Anakin killing Shaak-Ti in the temple, and the novelization places her in the temple as well. The script and novel are firmly on the side of Shaak-Ti dying at Anakin's hands, even if we didn't see it.

Yeah, and I realized that after I posted.

All this time I've pretty much been assuming all these "deleted scenes" could still be inserted into the films, they were just "deleted" to save time/money or lagged the flow of the film. But here is a clear example of a deleted scene that changes the story, and would create inconsistency if it were inserted, rather than just being redundant (like the Jabba scene added to ANH).

What i want to see and it probally was just a game mission

is the scenes in which Anakin goes to the Jedi library and kills ever Jedi and Jocasta Nu. And then Nick Gilliards character, we only see a half second of it when Obi Wan is playing back the holo

and other one is in the game to when Obi Wan fights those Matrix fighting clone troopers

IIRC two different death scenes for Shaak Ti were filmed and/or concieved but neither were used.

I don't see why it'd be inconceivable for Grievous to beat Shaak-ti. He held up fairly well against Obi-Wan, after all.

+http://www.aintitcool.com/images/deletedscenes5.jpg

Grievous: What are you doing?
Droids: Waiting for them to escape sah!

I'm rather glad that scene got cut.

NecronLord wrote:I don't see why it'd be inconceivable for Grievous to beat Shaak-ti. He held up fairly well against Obi-Wan, after all.

+http://www.aintitcool.com/images/deletedscenes5.jpg

Grievous: What are you doing?
Droids: Waiting for them to escape sah!

I'm rather glad that scene got cut.

Because it implies that either 1) Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi who ever lived (despite that apparently being true I think it's hero wank) and all the other Jedi suck, or 2) that Grevious is some kind of incredible wanky bastard, a la Clone Wars, when he's clearly not in the movie.


What's really missing is this scene:

Grevious: What the hell happened to your voices? Why do you all suddenly sound like chipmunks?

Droids: There was a helium leak in the Control Ship sah!

Grevious: Damn... the Jedi will pay for this outrage!

Droids: Btw, what's a chipmunk?

Grevious: Nevermind!

I have no problem with Grevious being responsible for the deaths of Jedi, even Jedi Masters. I do have a problem with him beating them in single combat with lightsabers. Getting lucky once in awhile is one thing, but beating them fair and square, no. So having him execute a Jedi prisoner I'm actually fine with. If the movie Grevious had really fought as many Jedi as we're lead to believe from the EU, he'd have been utterly sodomized by them long before now. Having him overwhelm them with his troops and then take the trophy off the corpse is much more realistic.

Kurgan wrote:Because it implies that either 1) Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi who ever lived (despite that apparently being true I think it's hero wank) and all the other Jedi suck,

Aside from his supposedly being the best swordsman. Yes. Obi-Wan is better than Shaak-ti, given that canonically, she lasted something like five minutes against Anakin, and he held Anakin off for a very long time.

NecronLord wrote:

Kurgan wrote:Because it implies that either 1) Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi who ever lived (despite that apparently being true I think it's hero wank) and all the other Jedi suck,

Aside from his supposedly being the best swordsman. Yes. Obi-Wan is better than Shaak-ti, given that canonically, she lasted something like five minutes against Anakin, and he held Anakin off for a very long time.

She actually fought him? I thought it was something like she was just sitting around and he just snuck up on her. Shiskabob, boom.

Obi-Wan is better than Mace Windu? I can buy that Obi-Wan is good, but I find it hard to believe that he's THAT much above every other Jedi in the Order.

Kurgan wrote:Obi-Wan is better than Mace Windu? I can buy that Obi-Wan is good, but I find it hard to believe that he's THAT much above every other Jedi in the Order.

Mace Windu actually says he thinks Obi-Wan is better than he is in the Novel, so, yes.

NecronLord wrote:

Kurgan wrote:Obi-Wan is better than Mace Windu? I can buy that Obi-Wan is good, but I find it hard to believe that he's THAT much above every other Jedi in the Order.

Mace Windu actually says he thinks Obi-Wan is better than he is in the Novel, so, yes.

He says that Obi-Wan is the better Jedi to go after Grievous, but I don't think he goes so far as to say that he's the better combatant. His style, he said, is without weakness. I'll try to find the quote, but that's the gist of it.

Windu also has to stick around on Coruscant, in case Sidious decides to make his move.

Edit: Windu does say the following: "But who will capture Grievous? I have fought him blade-to-blade. He is more than a match for most Jedi."

What I don't get is how Mace could have fought Grevious and not killed his ass.

And this is the SECOND TIME he's fought him (apart from the Clone Wars incident). I can only speculate that Grevious turned tail and ran... but that's probably wishful thinking on my part!

It's like there's only a handful of decent melee fighters in the entire galaxy, but not much consistency with how that skill plays out...

It's misleading to put all Jedi on a "power scale." Windu was the better choice to go after Sidious, because of his fighting style and sheer Force power. Kenobi was the better choice again Grievous, because he is not easily distracted or intimidated and he is the master of defensive lightsabre combat.

In some ways, Kenobi is the "best" Jedi, but he is not the strongest. He wouldn't have made some of the stupid mistakes Windu did...but on the other hand, Sidious would have raped him with his own lightsabre.

I honestly don't see why a Jedi needs to be sent after Grevious at all (other than for dramatic purposes).. what... just because he has lightsabers? I can understand the Jedi's personal desire to kill him (even if they don't want to admit it), but this just strikes me as macho BS.

Even if Grevious's armor is "blaster proof" as some have speculated, it shouldn't be able to withstand some high explosives or artillery fire. And he's not nearly as agile in ROTS as he's made out to be in Clone Wars (doing incredible leaps and acrobatic flips to avoid even Jedi reflexes).

The reasons given for Obi-Wan's superiority typically have centered around his survival of Order 66 (which was clearly little more than luck, or the Will of the Force if you prefer!) and his beating up on Anakin. In the latter case, while Anakin is built up as this amazing hero, we honestly don't see him do a whole lot in the films. Sure he's a gifted pilot and he's really awesome at killing the unarmed, women and children, etc. If we hadn't seen Anakin beat Dooku in battle, I'd have a hard time believing he was really much more than an average Jedi with delusions of grandeur...

Of course Darth Vader is awesome, but by that time he's really the only act in town, so it's not that hard.

Are we meant to assume that:
Obi-Wan > Grevious > Windu ?

Obi-Wan and Anakin seem fairly evenly matched in ROTS, but again Obi-Wan gets lucky and plays a trick on his former friend. I'm saying that just becuase you beat somebody doesn't mean you're "more powerful" or "a better swordsman." Obi-Wan seems to win mostly due to luck and the fact that he's a clever bastard.

^ Good point...but Kenobi's mission was to find him (makes sense for a Jedi, Force and all). Once he got to Utapau, he saw that the situation wasn't exactly fit for the "bombardment" solution (innocents), so he engages Grievous to distract him while bringing his Destroyers in low.

There were easily enough droids to keep the clones busy, so Kenobi pursued. I dunno, I bought it.

Mace vs. Grievous was on top of a hovertrain in Labyrinth of Evil. Fisto demolished two IG-100s while Windu fought Grievous. Grievous' agility was hampered by the fact that magnets kept him on the train, while Windu could dance all over the place with the Force, but Grievous still held his own by analyzing Windu's Vaapad and matching it. Windu won by slicing a gash in the car right in front of Grievous as he charged forward at him. Greivous got stuck, and Windu closed to finish him, but he wrenched free and hurled himself upward (nearly taking Windu's head off) and apparently fell into the Coruscant abyss. In fact, he grabbed hold of the bottom of the train until a Seperatist gunship picked him up.

Anguirus wrote:^ Good point...but Kenobi's mission was to find him (makes sense for a Jedi, Force and all). Once he got to Utapau, he saw that the situation wasn't exactly fit for the "bombardment" solution (innocents), so he engages Grievous to distract him while bringing his Destroyers in low.

There were easily enough droids to keep the clones busy, so Kenobi pursued. I dunno, I bought it.

Mace vs. Grievous was on top of a hovertrain in Labyrinth of Evil. Fisto demolished two IG-100s while Windu fought Grievous. Grievous' agility was hampered by the fact that magnets kept him on the train, while Windu could dance all over the place with the Force, but Grievous still held his own by analyzing Windu's Vaapad and matching it. Windu won by slicing a gash in the car right in front of Grievous as he charged forward at him. Greivous got stuck, and Windu closed to finish him, but he wrenched free and hurled himself upward (nearly taking Windu's head off) and apparently fell into the Coruscant abyss. In fact, he grabbed hold of the bottom of the train until a Seperatist gunship picked him up.

Fantastic! I suddenly had a vision of Padme tied to the hovetrain "tracks" while the train sped madly out of control...