Clonetroopers vs Stormtroopers

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » 2002-12-10 09:42am

AOTC era clonetroops with AT-TE backup vs ESB era stormtroopers with AT-AT backup.

Equal numbers.

Battle on Geonosis.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2002-12-10 09:47am

Standard equipment only?

Clonetrooper Light Repeating Blaster > E-11

A few E-WEBs, Imperial LRBs and thermdets would win the day.

AT-AT > AT-TE

What are the mission objectives?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2002-12-10 09:55am

With the AT-ATs, the ESB stormtroopers should win this one.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2002-12-10 10:08am

Jim Raynor wrote:With the AT-ATs, the ESB stormtroopers should win this one.

Most easily, as the stormies carry more equipment than the clones, have better armor, and much better walkers.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-12-10 05:23pm

Stormtroopers would win I guess.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-10 10:22pm

In terms of infantry weaponry the fight is quite even. We get a good helping of the large blasters stormtroopers carry in Episode IV (four different types that are just as large as those used by the Clonetroopers on Geonosis); the AT-AT is also more powerful than the AT-TE- so I guess the stormtroopers take this one.

Stormtrooper armor is also

- More simple and hence most likely less expensive to build,as there are less pieces
- Has less spots where the body glove isn't covered

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-12-10 10:56pm

Stormtrooper armor must also have upgrades to sensors and communications and whatnot.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-10 10:59pm

This is VERY close, if it's only considered to be soldiers and their rifles. The Clones have the advantage in firepower, with their massive rifles. The stormies are probably better at stategy and thinking up a plan on the fly (since if you believe GL: they're clones with more experience, and if you don't: they're indepentdent-minded soldiers)

Overall, I'd give it to the stormies, but this is going to be a MAJOR bloodbath.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-12-10 11:50pm

Why would the major firepower of the clonetroopers benefit them more than the more effective E-11's? The big guns might be good for taking out large targets like droids, but against other human infantry, isn't that overkill and would hinder their agility more? And just because it's larger, does that really mean it's more powerful? Is there any evidence other than their size that they have more firepower than an E-11?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-10 11:57pm

Padme's blaster rifle, which seems similar in design to the E-11, only damaged super battledroids, while shots from the Clone rifles blew them apart.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-11 12:00am

I would think the Republic Gunships would be a major problem for AT-ATs.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-11 12:01am

Alyeska wrote:I would think the Republic Gunships would be a major problem for AT-ATs.

Perhaps, but they don't seem to be involved in this scenario.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2002-12-11 12:03am

True; the clone army has better air support. Mind you, we didn't see air support at Hoth because of the theatre shield, although I suppose they could have dragged them in on the ground and then lifted off once inside the perimeter.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-11 12:04am

IG-88E wrote:This is VERY close, if it's only considered to be soldiers and their rifles. The Clones have the advantage in firepower, with their massive rifles.

As I pointed out, Stormtroopers have at least four designs at least as large as clonetroope rifles. Invariably we see them using carbines in close quarters combat- and the Episode 2 VD shows that the clonetroopers also have a carbine weapon. In a large scale Geonosis style battle, there's no reason to assume that they would stick with their E-11s.

I would think the Republic Gunships would be a major problem for AT-ATs.

Me too. Luckily they're not part of the debate

There is official evidence (X-Wing) that Assault Gunboats have been used to support AT-AT assaults however.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-11 12:06am

AdmiralKanos wrote:True; the clone army has better air support. Mind you, we didn't see air support at Hoth because of the theatre shield, although I suppose they could have dragged them in on the ground and then lifted off once inside the perimeter.

Even then air support is rarely talked about in the EU. They get ocassional support by Tie-Fighters or Gunboats, but not often. It seems like the Empire modeled its ground forces towards the threat it would be dealing with. It might seem like they totally lack air support, but their enemies usually didn't have things that required it. What it does mean is the Stormtrooper/Imperial army forces will have trouble against the Clone Trooper army.

Question, what would those big gun units do to an AT-AT? They took down a Trade Fed core ship, I should think they could smash an AT-AT.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-12-11 12:06am

IG-88E wrote:Padme's blaster rifle, which seems similar in design to the E-11, only damaged super battledroids, while shots from the Clone rifles blew them apart.

Is there any evidence that the battle droid blaster has similar firepower to the E-11? You're still basing this off of appearances.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-11 12:16am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Padme's blaster rifle, which seems similar in design to the E-11, only damaged super battledroids, while shots from the Clone rifles blew them apart.
Is there any evidence that the battle droid blaster has similar firepower to the E-11? You're still basing this off of appearances.

No, he's basing it off effects.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-12-11 12:17am

So then we really have no idea if it would even be effective against Stormtrooper armor then? Who knows what sort of advances in weapons and armor have been made since then to A New Hope?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-11 12:21am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:So then we really have no idea if it would even be effective against Stormtrooper armor then? Who knows what sort of advances in weapons and armor have been made since then to A New Hope?

I don't buy that personally. There are no huge leaps and bounds of tech in SW. Stormtrooper and Clonetrooper armor is the same IMO.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-11 12:24am

Of course not. Its simply that larger rifle = larger powerpack and longer barrel to focus the bolt.

MirrorUniverseSpy1 · Post by **MirrorUniverseSpy1** » 2002-12-11 01:35am

ESB Troops win due to support from AT-ATs.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-12-11 09:12pm

IG-88E wrote:Of course not. Its simply that larger rifle = larger powerpack and longer barrel to focus the bolt.

Mmm....all right.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2002-12-12 01:58am

The Stormtroopers aren't limited to just the E11... I know that its become something of a brain bug, but check out ANH (Tatooine scenes and on the DeathStar), and all the variety of guns they have, including big ones like you'd expect to see Clonetroopers using.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2002-12-12 06:58am

It weren't the AT-TEs that knocked down the Trade Fed. core ship...

They were some long range heavy, mobile-artillery guns.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-12 08:47am

Boba Fett wrote:It weren't the AT-TEs that knocked down the Trade Fed. core ship...

They were some long range heavy, mobile-artillery guns.

They would fuck up AT-ATs I guess. Luckily they're not part of the debate!

Although I think Clonetrooopers look cooler.