KJA's Jedi Acedemy series-somethings bugging me.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 08:28am

Now, you remember that when Kyp Durron navigated through the Maw with the force? I find this highly unlikely, he barely ANY training.

However then Mara Jade comes along and she says she can't navigate it because she's not trained in the force.

CONTRADICTION! And Jade was the Emperor's Hand, not some cute girl with some force potential.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-05 09:20am

KJA doesn't understand big words like "continuity"

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 09:29am

His Divine Shadow wrote:KJA doesn't understand big words like "continuity"

But in 3 novels?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-05 09:52am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:But in 3 novels?

He probably forgot he'd written a novel after he was finished with one.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 11:12am

That's not hard to believe

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-05 05:36pm

Two points:

-Just shows that Kyp is exceptionally strong, naturally, in his Force usage.

-Mara Jade tried for a long time to renounce her Force abilities. While she said "I CAN'T do it", she could have meant "I WON'T do it."

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 05:40pm

SPOOFE wrote:Two points:

-Just shows that Kyp is exceptionally strong, naturally, in his Force usage.

So was Luke, but his control was horrible

-Mara Jade tried for a long time to renounce her Force abilities. While she said "I CAN'T do it", she could have meant "I WON'T do it."

I thought her power got bad until she killed Luuke (not a spelling error)

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-07-05 05:56pm

Well no, not even during the Thrawn Duology, over a decade later she wasn't very good as a "Jeedai".

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-07-05 06:53pm

SPOOFE wrote:Two points:

-Just shows that Kyp is exceptionally strong, naturally, in his Force usage.

He also had some training from Vima da-Boda while working in the mines. Not much, but some.

At any rate, navigating through something like the Maw isn't a skill that can be trained too much, from what I've seen. It's more like allowing the Force to guide you--kind of a sixth sense, in other words.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2002-07-05 07:06pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Now, you remember that when Kyp Durron navigated through the Maw with the force? I find this highly unlikely, he barely ANY training.

However then Mara Jade comes along and she says she can't navigate it because she's not trained in the force.

CONTRADICTION! And Jade was the Emperor's Hand, not some cute girl with some force potential.

I always figured that kyp was KJA's Mary-sue and therefore could do anything.

Lets see, he was stronger in the Force than Luke, was a faster study, was the sole bloody focus of any KJA stoy he appeared in and When he went over to the Dark Side was almost as strong as the Emperor (at least that's the impression I got).

So the fact he was able to do something the Emperor's hand ( a specially selected Force User who the Emperor used for his dirty work and wasn't even scared of Vader) could not, despite her years of personnel training from the Emperor, should hardly be shocking.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-05 07:42pm

Hey, we've seen how Jedi can have their powers "specialized" from I, Jedi (even though that whole notion was very X-men-esque). I guess Kyp just happens to be very very good at... y'know... avoiding dense objects.

Besides, we never even see Mara attempt to fly into the Maw. Remember, Kyp himself said that he couldn't do it, prior to attempting.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2002-07-05 07:48pm

SPOOFE wrote:Hey, we've seen how Jedi can have their powers "specialized" from I, Jedi (even though that whole notion was very X-men-esque). I guess Kyp just happens to be very very good at... y'know... avoiding dense objects.

Then how do you explain him being in a KJA book?

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-05 08:33pm

It seems to be implied that the stronger one is the faster their training progresses, and Kyp was very strong in the force. Most of Mara's power came from Palpatine.

BrianDavion · Post by **BrianDavion** » 2002-07-05 09:05pm

the idea of kyp being as uber powerful as he is is IMHO a joke.
the line in rebel dream where he thinks "I am more powerful then master skywalker" I list off as pure EGO

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-05 09:09pm

I would say that while kyp is powerful it is an egotrip that he's on.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-08 08:33am

"Two points:

-Just shows that Kyp is exceptionally strong, naturally, in his Force usage."

Which is an extremely silly idea, since it runs counter to established themes... which, granted, KJA would never comprehend anyway.

"-Mara Jade tried for a long time to renounce her Force abilities. While she said "I CAN'T do it", she could have meant "I WON'T do it."

Any proof of this?

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-08 08:35am

"I always figured that kyp was KJA's Mary-sue and therefore could do anything. "

No, really?

"Lets see, he was stronger in the Force than Luke, was a faster study, was the sole bloody focus of any KJA stoy he appeared in and When he went over to the Dark Side was almost as strong as the Emperor (at least that's the impression I got)."

Yep. In a word, pathetic.

"So the fact he was able to do something the Emperor's hand ( a specially selected Force User who the Emperor used for his dirty work and wasn't even scared of Vader) could not, despite her years of personnel training from the Emperor, should hardly be shocking."

No, that's right, I think the word you look for is "disgusting".

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-08 08:36am

Acutal the Kyp is super power thing is all in the mind and thats the point

The weapon of the Jedi is the mind, Distract him and you can win

So you THINK your powerful makes you so

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-08 10:25am

"Acutal the Kyp is super power thing is all in the mind and thats the point

The weapon of the Jedi is the mind, Distract him and you can win

So you THINK your powerful makes you so "

Ha... that's what you think. Damn, then I guess it's true.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-11 04:51pm

Kyp seems like a bunch of controversies to me. He pilots the Suncrusher out of the Maw and if you want to chalk that up to Force powers, go ahead. He also jacked Mara's Headhunter. (If you ask me, you gotta have a real death wish to do something like that)

I prefer the I, Jedi look at Kyp, where he is made out to be a planet killer who got away with it. Personally, I think he should've been squashed by that moon, not Chewie.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-11 05:21pm

Another reason I like Stackpole. He got it right about Kyp.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-11 08:33pm

"Another reason I like Stackpole. He got it right about Kyp."

Surprisingly, I find myself in agreement.

To balance this out, I offer that Corran, due to his arrogance, deceptive nature and contempt for his enemies, would have turned to the Dark Side in record time.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-12 12:30am

Did you read I, Jedi?

Corran rebukes Luke for believing that he cannot trust anyone who has fallin to the D side and comeback.

Corran says something to the effect of, I face it, I won, you didn't, so deal
with it.

One of the best chapters in the whole book.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-12 07:32am

"Did you read I, Jedi?"

Yep.

"Corran rebukes Luke for believing that he cannot trust anyone who has fallin to the D side and comeback."

Yes. At the same time, he happily kills his enemies by the hundreds, while the Imps are "murderers" if they shoot one of his pilot friends. He challenges a pirate to a duel, lasers only, and shoots him down with a torpedo (since he figures that pilot is probably a murderer, by the sick moral compass Horn employs). He is arrogant, contemptous and overconfident.

"Corran says something to the effect of, I face it, I won, you didn't, so deal with it."

Corran faced the Dark Side? Pathetic. Corran was never really tempted, never hit where it hurts. And each time Stackpole's avatar upstages Luke it comes off as looking more pathetic.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-12 02:04pm

Quote: "He challenges a pirate to a duel, lasers only, and shoots him down with a torpedo (since he figures that pilot is probably a murderer, by the sick moral compass Horn employs)."

Uh, you've got that backwards. Reread this passage here:

"This is Captain Corran Horn of the New Republic Armed Forces. I will accept your surrender."
A woman answered me. "Don't you know, Invids never surrender"
"Not true of the Booty Full."
"Riizolo is a fool, but he doesn't have a capital warrant on his head. I do." She laughed. "One pass, Horn. You and me."
"You'll die." A single pass would negate the clutch's agility advantage. She had to know that.
"But perhaps not alone."........."Allow me this honor."
I wanted to do as she asked and would have, except for one thing: the Invids had proved over and over again that they had no honor.

Corran gave her a chance to surrender and she BLEW IT! He could've just blown her away without speaking, but he gave her a chance. When she decided to throw her life away, he used a torp rather idiotically going head-to-head and risking his life.

Quote: Corran faced the Dark Side? Pathetic. Corran was never really tempted, never hit where it hurts.

Um, excuse me, but Corran got thrown around by Exar Kun shortly before his confrontation of Luke. He was shown images of his father, mother, wife, friends, and UNBORN SON all telling him he was a fool and they hated him. That's not getten hit where it frickin hurts? Corran almost slipped over to the dark side there, but managed to stop himself. Man, I wanna hear your idea of "hit where it hurts."

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