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Obviously this topic is a spin off from Is Thrawn Evil thread, however putting that aside for one moment I have a question that has been bugging me for ages and I would love to hear the opinions of my learned colleagues on this;

Warning! Sort of consipiracy logic to follow

Okay, we all know that in Heir to the Empire Thrawn travelles to Wayland and has a discussion with a certain unstable Jedi Master, C'boath. He promises C'boath what ever he can in order to have his co-operation, namely two Jedi, Luke and Leia, and as yet unborn Jedi twins.

But here is the thing, when Thrawn first mentions the Jedi, C'boath rather quickly and flatly states; 'There are no more Jedi, the Emperor and Vader killed them all.' He said this and was very certain about it. I mean he truely believed it didn't he?

Now the weird part, I don't have the book on me right now, lowned it out, but in Dark Forces Rising, after Mara gets the Wild Karrde out of a tangle with an Intredictor cruiser on the edge of Myrkr, we go to Jomark where C'boath is awaken by the disturbance in the Force that Mara created. So far not a problem, as we can assume C'boath has been getting more and more powerful as he is been helping the Grand Admiral. However the thing that always bugged me, is that C'boath goes on to think about all the other times, over the years that he has felt Mara's presence in the Force, and how her powers were atrophying!

So the question is how could he have been aware of Mara's presence over all those years, and not Luke's or Leia's?

Some possible explainations;

• He is insane and just imagines that he was feeling them over so many years.
• He is insane and could only focus on small phenomenon, like Mara's, and not large one's like Lukes.
• He knew all along, however he played Thrawn like a piano accordian.
• Timothy Zahn, is such an evil genius that he writes circles within circles.
• Timothy Zahn, stuffed up.

Just so y'all know, the last option is something that I do not believe is possible. Because if Timothy Zahn did stuffed up, surely an Editor would have picked it up.

So what do you all think? Has anyone noticed this before? Am I a heretic who should be burned alive to even sugest that Thrawn could so easily be played?

1. Cannon Fact
Thrawn knows all sees all!

Acutal its easier and more likley to assume that CB is just a firggent fruit cake, I noticed that to but Mr CB is all about the HERE and NOW, For bob sake he sat there with a fully functiong Cloning Facility just down the street and it took him years to figure out he could clone himself some Luuke's and take over the universe

CB's insane
Just sitting on the Cloing facilites for that long kinda realy backs it up

Perhaps he was only able to feel Mara through their mutual connection with the Emperor? Remember that C'Boath was installed as guardian of Wayland by the Emperor, which Thrawn properly guessed before meeting the man. Also remember how clearly Mara is able to contact the Emperor through the Force. Perhaps when C'Boath feels her powers atrophying, he is actually feeling her move towards the Light Side? This does not fully explain the phenomena, because Luke temporarily brushed the Dark Side and C'Boath should have felt that, but perhaps C'Boath felt it and then assumed Luke had died when he was unable to feel the connection any further.

All of this is speculative, but then, so is the thread.

Crown wrote: Just so y'all know, the last option is something that I do not believe is possible. Because if Timothy Zahn did stuffed up, surely an Editor would have picked it up.

P.S. The editors didn't seem to pick up KJA novels, most EU novels or the NJO.

Ehhh... Thanks for Playing Ossus
You got your facts mixed up which kinda rendered your aurgment useless

Remember that C'Boath was installed as guardian of Wayland by the Emperor

Incorrect there was a dark Jedi(un named) who was installed by the Emperor as the Guardian of the Moutian, Well C'Boath shows up and kills the guardian and seemingly for lack of anything better to do sets up a town and forces the three races to live there in the shadow of the moutian

No more Jedi and sensing a Force sensitive are two different things though. Palpatine wasn't a Jedi.

True, but he was trained by one, and he is apparently far better at using the force than most Jedi. He defeated Luke in the DE comics after Luke had had years of training under his belt.

Well here is the thing, all these explainations would have been viable, if C'boath didn't specifically mention that he could recall over all the years how Mara affected the force.

Originally posted by Mr Bean
1. Cannon Fact
Thrawn knows all sees all!

Except who to trust to mind his back !

CB's insane
Just sitting on the Cloing facilites for that long kinda realy backs it up

Not having knowlege of how to use an advanced technology makes you insane?

Originally posted by DG_Cal_Wright
P.S. The editors didn't seem to pick up KJA novels, most EU novels or the NJO.

I know, and it gives me nightmares let me tell you, but Zahn, stuff up? No that is not possible.

No more Jedi and sensing a Force sensitive are two different things though. Palpatine wasn't a Jedi.

Well the assumption would be that it would be easier to sense Luke, then Mara. I mean he wasn't exactly hiding his force abilities now was he?

Not having knowlege of how to use an advanced technology makes you insane?

1. He knew about them, he made statments to that effect
2. He had been inside the mountian to kill the guardian
3. Just because the technology is in working order does not mean you have to hop on one foot while waving a dead parrot yet always keeping your LEFT foot on the red dot while singing a Van Hallen Tune
When Thrawn shows up after ten to prehaps twenty years of being there we here that 80%! of the Cloning Cylinders where in WORKING order
IE they where ready to go
From all indications from Mara and Thrawns tecnys it was a full and completle cloning ceneter ready to go with all the odds and ends you would need most likley including the SW verison of How to Clone for Dummies most likley...

Not like these things where under lock and key and even if they where he IS a Crazy Jedi who carrys the best door-opener ever invented....

Yeah, so if this is true, how does this make him insane?

However, if you believe he knew more about the Spaarti Cylenders then he did in Heir when he was completely unaware of their function, do you also believe that he knew about Luke and thus led Thrawn on a ride?

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Yeah, so if this is true, how does this make him insane?

None of that does
The other 88% of his actions do however conferm he is off his rocker, He is capable of doing Evil Smart things, SOME of the time, The other half of the time he's nuts O crazy

A few examples
1. The murdering of all-of worlders who came to his city for no good reason and he even tried to kill Thrawn and Peolleon dispite the fact there was an ISD in orbit(Jedi powers or no if someone starts raning 200GT+ Blasts on you, your dead.
2. The sezing of the Chimera because he mistatkenly though Thrawn was going to destory Courscant and desided he was some-how going to take his Jedi with just one ISD(Despite the ISD Proof Double shielding, Tons O ground based fighters, Dedcated Defense platforms roughly equal to an ISD in Power and lets not forget the other ISD's and Mon Cals around the planet PLUS the sector fleet
3. His attack on Luke and Co after Luuke is killed and they come after him(Pure animal range as Mara, who was rasied by the Master of Long term plaing describes it, He #^#^ fliped)

That help?
3. The frequent moonswings

So Mr Bean you are gonna go with option #1;

He is insane and just imagines that he was feeling them over so many years.

Well I could see that too, however, C'boath does mention to Mara in the Last Command that he saw how her power started to fade when the Emperor died.

Me I just believe that an evil minded genius, who could create and give us Thrawn, actually wrote circles within circles for out pleasure!

Which reminds me... I am thinking of starting a petition to ban all other writters from SW except Zahn, and mail it to Lucas Film... Reckon anyone would want to sign it?

Okay we really need an edit button on our most recent posts...

Crown wrote:Obviously this topic is a spin off from Is Thrawn Evil thread, however putting that aside for one moment I have a question that has been bugging me for ages and I would love to hear the opinions of my learned colleagues on this;

Warning! Sort of consipiracy logic to follow

Okay, we all know that in Heir to the Empire Thrawn travelles to Wayland and has a discussion with a certain unstable Jedi Master, C'boath. He promises C'boath what ever he can in order to have his co-operation, namely two Jedi, Luke and Leia, and as yet unborn Jedi twins.

But here is the thing, when Thrawn first mentions the Jedi, C'boath rather quickly and flatly states; 'There are no more Jedi, the Emperor and Vader killed them all.' He said this and was very certain about it. I mean he truely believed it didn't he?

Now the weird part, I don't have the book on me right now, lowned it out, but in Dark Forces Rising, after Mara gets the Wild Karrde out of a tangle with an Intredictor cruiser on the edge of Myrkr, we go to Jomark where C'boath is awaken by the disturbance in the Force that Mara created. So far not a problem, as we can assume C'boath has been getting more and more powerful as he is been helping the Grand Admiral. However the thing that always bugged me, is that C'boath goes on to think about all the other times, over the years that he has felt Mara's presence in the Force, and how her powers were atrophying!

So the question is how could he have been aware of Mara's presence over all those years, and not Luke's or Leia's?

Some possible explainations;

• He is insane and just imagines that he was feeling them over so many years.
• He is insane and could only focus on small phenomenon, like Mara's, and not large one's like Lukes.
• He knew all along, however he played Thrawn like a piano accordian.
• Timothy Zahn, is such an evil genius that he writes circles within circles.
• Timothy Zahn, stuffed up.

Just so y'all know, the last option is something that I do not believe is possible. Because if Timothy Zahn did stuffed up, surely an Editor would have picked it up.

So what do you all think? Has anyone noticed this before? Am I a heretic who should be burned alive to even sugest that Thrawn could so easily be played?

the answer is yes U should be burned alive.

And of couse Timothy Zhan Didn't Screw up you should be burned alive Twice

No we need KJA and his Quantum Armor of fun!
No Keep KJA, Zahn and hmm whoever wrote the Correlian Triology keep them to, get rid of the rest

Were you being sarcastic in you above post?

Mr Bean wrote:No we need KJA and his Quantum Armor of fun!
No Keep KJA, Zahn and hmm whoever wrote the Correlian Triology keep them to, get rid of the rest

Correlian trilogy was worthless drek and the JAT wasn't a lot better.

VOTF was also way worse than Zahns other work and Mara lecturing Luke was possibly the worst scene since he got whupped on by Kueller.

I believe the whole reason Mara had to lecture Luke was so that we can get some reasonable perspective on why Luke behaved in such a #$%^ed up manner when Hacks were given the opportunity to write for the EU!

Crown wrote:I believe the whole reason Mara had to lecture Luke was so that we can get some reasonable perspective on why Luke behaved in such a #$%^ed up manner when Hacks were given the opportunity to write for the EU!

You can believe that if you want, personally I just think it was Zahn trying to force his interpretation of the force upon all the other EU authors (hell going by the PT he wasn't even right!)