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Okay, let us give an alternative course to ROTJ.

Let us go to when palpatine electricutes luke. as luke comes flying backwards, he swings his saber, by reflex, and knocks out the grate behind him and goes falling... falling... into the power core thingy.

Now what?

Weren't the fighters already in the station at that point? It's possible that Palpatine would escape, but it's just as possible Vader would still attack Palpatine.

Qwerty 42 wrote:Weren't the fighters already in the station at that point? It's possible that Palpatine would escape, but it's just as possible Vader would still attack Palpatine.

I'd say it'd probably be more likely that Vader would attack Palpatine, considering the insight into his character in ROTS. Anakin was a very selfish person, and one who extended his self to his family. An attack on his mother, his wife, or his son was something he viewed as an attack on him, because by attacking someone important in his life, Anakin viewed the aggressor as attempting to deprive him of that important person.

It became evident that in the end, his son took priority over his mentor. I imagine that witnessing Palpatine murder Luke outright would probably send him into the kind of rage he went into upon his mother's death, except add about 30-odd years of experience to the intensity.

Civil War Man wrote:I'd say it'd probably be more likely that Vader would attack Palpatine, considering the insight into his character in ROTS. Anakin was a very selfish person, and one who extended his self to his family. An attack on his mother, his wife, or his son was something he viewed as an attack on him, because by attacking someone important in his life, Anakin viewed the aggressor as attempting to deprive him of that important person.

It became evident that in the end, his son took priority over his mentor. I imagine that witnessing Palpatine murder Luke outright would probably send him into the kind of rage he went into upon his mother's death, except add about 30-odd years of experience to the intensity.

This is actually kind of interesting. Maybe it was because of this that Palpatine was killing Luke slowly? He was obviously very surprised when his aprentice betrayed him. Perhaps he, along with a lot of other things, miscalculated Vader's reaction to his son dying. It is possible that he knew that Vader would fly into a vengeful rage if he killed Luke suddenly but though that Vader would stay loyal if he took his time with it?

I honestly don't think so, but the idea came to me and I just had to share.

Qwerty 42 wrote:Weren't the fighters already in the station at that point? It's possible that Palpatine would escape, but it's just as possible Vader would still attack Palpatine.

No, the fighters enter the Death Star (and the Executor is destroyed) after Palpatine dies. It has been theorized that the death of Palpatine ripling through the force and the interruption of the Battle Meditation that one of the Grand Admirals was engaging in, killed Imperial morale and is the reason why the Millenium Falcon and the Rebel Fighters did not get shot down on the way to the core.

I don't see Palps dying that easily. It seemed to me that he was distracted with toturing Luke, thus letting Vader pull off his coup. Without Luke to distract him he'd probably kill Vader fairly easily. I'm also sure he heard Vaders comment about Lukes sister. He'd most likely tell the commanders to make it their top priority to bring him all Rebels on the moon alive. Then I see him turning Leia using Lukes death combined with torturing Han. I don't see the DS2 going down as such a likely event at this juncture. Due to the afore mentioned battle meditation.

The Jazz Intern wrote:Okay, let us give an alternative course to ROTJ.

Let us go to when palpatine electricutes luke. as luke comes flying backwards, he swings his saber, by reflex, and knocks out the grate behind him and goes falling... falling... into the power core thingy.

Now what?

The problem with that is that Luke had already thrown his lightsabre away in defiance to the Emperor's demands to finish off Vader. So when Palpatine begins zapping Luke, he doesn't have it.

ah. oops. I should re watch the movies again...

well, lets say, that he has it in his hand, just for the sake of this.
Spanky, you have a good memory, unless you watched it again recently...

The lightsabre throwing part is a major plot point in terms of symbolism (maybe the wrong term here).

I haven't seen the movie in months (possibly more than a year), but I still remember the scene well.. the Emperor asks Luke to finish off a helpless Vader, but Luke throws his weapon aside and says something in the lines of, "You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi as my father was before me."
A li'l fuzzy, but it's one of the finest moments not just in that movie, and not just in Star Wars, but in any movie I've ever seen.. possibly one of the finest moments in life itself

Darth Yoshi wrote:The lightsabre throwing part is a major plot point in terms of symbolism (maybe the wrong term here).

Luke throwing his lightsabre away is dramatic, not symbolic.

EDIT: I am an idiot.

Wrong thread and forum, man.

Cykeisme wrote:I haven't seen the movie in months (possibly more than a year), but I still remember the scene well.. the Emperor asks Luke to finish off a helpless Vader, but Luke throws his weapon aside and says something in the lines of, "You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi as my father was before me."
A li'l fuzzy, but it's one of the finest moments not just in that movie, and not just in Star Wars, but in any movie I've ever seen.. possibly one of the finest moments in life itself

"You've failed, your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." <--exact wording

How about the Emperor decides not to pussy foot around and just tosses him down the shaft?


In any event, I can almost see Vader calling luke's lightsaber to him and slicing the Emperor in half

"You killed my son you wrinked old zombie! At least my daughter is on Endor. Hmmm, rebels in the power core, time to leave, and then go collect my daughter and rule the galaxy."

I don't think Vader would have killed him. With out Luke begging, and pleading for his father to help him, while slowly being killed, I don't see Vader turning on his master. At less not at that point.