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SW bloopers

Posted: 2005-11-28 05:51am
by Vympel
RotS:

In the scene where Anakin is strangling Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan is holding Anakin's lightsabre in several shots. In others, he's holding his own.

ANH:

Vader making hand motions without saying anything after he says "I told you she'd never ..." to Tarkin upon the scout ship return from Dantooine.

TESB:

the Imperial officer who reports to Captain Needa on the Avenger "the ship no longer appears on any of our scopes" is the same officer who looks up at Piett on the Executor when he orders that they prepare the tractor beam. Quickest promotion ever?

ROTJ:

The Imperial uniform blooper takes the cake, everyone being of the same rank.

Re: SW bloopers

Posted: 2005-11-28 05:58am
by Mange
Vympel wrote:RotS:

In the scene where Anakin is strangling Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan is holding Anakin's lightsabre in several shots. In others, he's holding his own.
George Lucas mentioned the reason why for at least one scene (the beginning of the scene on the conference table). The beginning of the scene had been cut.

Also look for the shifting positions of the electrostaff on the Utapauan landing platform during the Grievous/Obi-Wan fight...

Posted: 2005-11-28 09:34pm
by Anguirus
Vader making hand motions without saying anything after he says "I told you she'd never ..." to Tarkin upon the scout ship return from Dantooine.
How's this a blooper? I thought it was a deliberate "kill her" hand motion.

Posted: 2005-11-28 09:45pm
by Utsanomiko
Vader's extra line in that scene was omitted for Jones' dubbing; Prowse is still talking and performing his usual gestures.

Posted: 2005-11-28 09:52pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
It's not long enough to be a removed extra line, since it's pretty much just about a beat long. More than likely I would guess that the line was slightly changed between Prowse's original performance and Jone's reading, so there ended up being almost a second of silence at the end while Vader was still "talking."

Posted: 2005-11-28 09:57pm
by Ender
Anakin's scar flipflops at one point in ROTS

Palaptine fights with Anakin's sabre against Mace

Posted: 2005-11-28 10:01pm
by Utsanomiko
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's not long enough to be a removed extra line, since it's pretty much just about a beat long. More than likely I would guess that the line was slightly changed between Prowse's original performance and Jone's reading, so there ended up being almost a second of silence at the end while Vader was still "talking."
Yeah, that's probaby correct. I couldn't recall just how long the pause was from memory.

Posted: 2005-11-29 12:20am
by DesertFly
I remember something about a blooper guide I found on the internet years ago, probably about 1998. My Google-fu is strong today (actually it wasn't that hard) and I was able to find this site.

It has pictures, but unfortunately it only has bloopers for the original trilogy and TPM. Apparently hasn't been updated for some time.

Posted: 2005-11-29 04:58am
by Kurgan
Bloopers I recall:

A Stormtrooper bangs his head on a door in ANH (now made canon by Lucas!).

Harrison Ford grabs Carrie Fisher's breast in ROTJ in the bunker scene.

You can see Harrison Ford's makeup has come off his chin and smeared on his trooper armor in ANH (in the scene where they're pinned down in the hallway before going into the Garbage Chute).

In a few shots you can still see expelled shell casings (or whatever they are, they used blanks) from the trooper rifles used in ANH.

In ROTJ, as Lando is flying the Falcon inside the Death Star II ("that was too close") the satellite dish is smashed off. Let later it's visible again.

Oola the slave dancer at Jabba's has her breast pop out of her outfit in ROTJ.

Panda Boba's (?) arm that's cut off and left in the cantina by Ben in ANH is wrong (it's actually "Wolfman's" arm, and you can see the original arm on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM in an early take of the Cantina sequence).

"Made in England" supposedly discernable on the needle of the "Torture Droid" that approaches Leia in ANH.

Obi-Wan's lightsaber "fizzles out" for several frames during his duel with Darth Vader in ANH as he faces the camera, revealing the prop rod that was used. Also in a shot where the stormtroopers are going over to "watch the fight" Vader (on the left) is seen with an uncolored lightsaber prop.

Luke's lightsaber changes color in the scene where he "trains" on the Falcon in ANH.

Kenny Baker Jr's flesh is visible inside R2D2's eyepiece in ANH (inside the Sand Crawler).

"Bat creature" in Cantina scene has one shot where you can see through the transparent eye of the mask. The actor later puts a cup to a part of the mask as if to drink that is not the creature's mouth (probably the actor's mouth inside the mask).

A black pedestrian extra crosses the screen several times in the scenes with Obi-Wan and Luke entering Mos Eisley and talking as they prepare to enter the cantina (by my count he crosses about four or five times!) in ANH. There may be more!

Visible "boots" on actor Peter Mayhew's feet under his Chewbacca costume visible in ESB as he moves through Cloud City.

Luke has a tear stream down his face in the scene where views the dying Anakin in ROTJ. In the next shot the tear is gone.

The "pole" holding up the Falcon model leaves an artifact against the "glow" of the doorway of the hangar as it is pulled into the Death Star in ANH. Look below the ship as it comes in to see it.

Inconsistent placement of those metal objects near Leia's hologram, when Obi-Wan is viewing the complete message in ANH (changes between shots).

Non-droid corpses literally the arena seem to be missing in shots of the droids talking on Geonosis after the battle in AOTC. There's also a conspicious lack of Gungan bodies after the battle in TPM as well.

During the battle between Dooku and Anakin in AOTC, Obi-Wan's body seems missing in some shots. Likewise with Yoda and Dooku (the bodies of Anakin and Obi-Wan seem missing).

The "Death Star plans" computer diagram displayed on screen in ANH after R2D2 plugs into the Rebel computer is inconsistent with the Death Star model we constantly see everywhere else in the movie.

The actor playing Wedge during the Rebel briefing in ANH (who says "that's impossible, even for a computer!" and Luke talks to) is not the same actor that plays him in the actual space battle and elsewhere in the trilogy. It could be rationalized that this is simply a different pilot, but we never see that pilot again!

R2D2's head panels are black in some space shots, but blue in others in ANH, inconsistently fixed in the later editions. (Possibly also in ESB and ROTJ).

Possibly bloopers, depending on how you view the Star Wars Universe:

When Obi-Wan pulls off his amazing comeback at the end of his duel in TPM, Darth Maul's saber is on, then off, then on again (this was explained on another site as Obi-Wan using the Force to turn off his lightsaber, which I really like, but still!).

One of the "dorsk" (?) aliens who is arguing with another alien just like himself in the Cantina has one "alien" hand and one "human" hand.

A quick view through a stormtrooper's transparent eyepiece let's us see through the mask in ANH (the scene of the troopers trying to stop Obi-Wan and Luke in Mos Eisley).

Several instances of Stormtrooper helmets not being on all the way (actor's exposed skin visible): in ROTJ, ESB and ANH (see especially ESB where the two stormtroopers drop Solo off after his interrogation and one of them almost loses his helmet because Han's arm brushes against it).

One end of Darth Maul's lightsaber blade passes through his own hand (without damage) in TPM (in the shot where the two Jedi leap across a catwalk to attack him).

Several instances of the shadow of a lightsaber blade is visible, such as in ROTJ (final duel between Vader and Luke) and in ROTS (during the duel with Count Dooku).

In the scene where Luke is watching the "message" of Princess Leia in the Lars home, Threepio can be seen in the background stumble and nervously (?) rub a rag against his thigh.

The top portion of Vader's helmet flaps in the wind in the scene where he tries to get Luke to join him in ESB.

A small explosion appears in a crevice of an asteroid ahead of the Falcon as it is pursued by TIE Fighters, yet we see no cause (like a laser blast) for the explosion in ESB.

Several instances of "turbolasers" and hand blaster/vehicle blaster weapons doing visible damage (or sparks) before the colored bolt "hits" its target (See ROTJ when Luke's hand is shot by one of Jabba's men, a shot almost hitting Yoda during a battle on Kashyyk in ROTS, etc.)

In the Special Edition, the old Sy Snootles puppet was replaced by a CG version, with many visible differences (no feather headdress, missing "fangs" and different looking eyes). Despite the replacement, the old Snooty is still visible in a few pan over scenes in Jabba's palace in ROTJ standing in the background (it's dark, but possible to see).

General Grievous's lightsabers have the same hilt designs as Anakin and Obi-Wan's in ROTS. Supposedly his other lightsabers appear to be the same as hilts used by other Jedi (and, I assume Jedi that aren't dead yet by this time).

How did Luke and Obi-Wan get their clothes back after the garbage masher scene in ANH? Did the stormtrooper boots really fit over their original boots?

What happened to all those laser shots that Vader fired at Luke's X-Wing in ANH during and just before the part when Han Solo was shooting up his wingmen? (Remember Vader was supposedly locked on!)

In ANH when Han and Chewie meet back up with Leia and Luke ("We ran into some old friends") you can see Leia and Luke's shadows as they are waiting just off camera right before they come on. Could be rationalized, but would be somewhat silly.

The same cloud of ships flies by Chancellor Palpatine's window in almost the same way throughout the same scene in his office in AOTC.

In ROTJ after Han Solo's ruse to get the troopers out of the bunker, the officer in charge says "Send three squads to help" yet we only see 15 extras (at most) come out of the bunker. Squads in the Empire might just be that small, of course.

In the scene where we first see Vader in ANH, his helmet looks grimy or at least non-reflective. Yet in a later shot where he's talking with an Imperial Officer, his helmet looks shiny. When did he have time to polish it up?

Perhaps not true 'bloopers' but still:

In the Special Edition, with the extended "Vader's arrival" when his shuttle lands, we see a reversed unused shot from ROTJ (note Moff Jerrerod on the second Death Star... which in this scene is supposed to be the Executor!).

In the Special Edition, Luke Skywalker screams as he falls through the shaft in ESB. The scream is exactly like the one that the Emperor utters in ROTJ as he falls. This was removed again in the subsequent 2004 edition.

Billy Dee Williams appears to mumble one of his lines in the space battle in ROTJ, as part of it was cut off by accident. This was corrected in later editions ("We're sure in the middle of it now!").

Obvious cardboard Lando hanging onto the bottom of the Skiff in ROTJ as Luke does his famous leap from one to the other.

Huge section of painted on stormtroopers visible during the Emperor's arrival shots in ROTJ.

Obvious black touch-ups on the film to cover holes in the Emperor's mask/hood ensemble in ROTJ ("Emperor's slugs").

Dozens of visible "matte boxes" around objects in space (see especially the battle over Endor in ROTJ).

Several instances of stars "shining through" ships in ESB (especially the Falcon or a Star Destroyer) and ROTJ. Possibly fixed in later editions.

The Falcon's cockpit is clearly too small to fit the number of people we've been shown it can hold (via the view out the windows seen many times in ANH and ESB). Compare shots of the cockpit as seen in the background of ANH and ESB (especially the scenes of Chewbacca and/or Han on top of the ship repairing it).

The 2004 edition of ROTJ digitally removed Sebastian Shaw's eyes as he plays Anakin in the unmasking scene of ROTJ. Due in part to the restoration process and the removal of the eyebrows the "bald cap wig" that Shaw wears in the scene becomes obvious.

DVD gaffe:
"The Force Fanfare" is drowned out by the X-Wing engines as they approach the Death Star Trench on the English and Spanish audio tracks (and the channels are swapped). LucasFilm describes this as a "creative decision." The phenomena is not found on the French audio track.

DVD gaffe:
All color drained from explosion of Death Star in ANH, with visible blue screen artifacting at the edges of the blast (compare earlier versions and the second Death Star explosion in ROTJ which is orange colored).

DVD gaffe:
The little video clips in the animated menus show various scenes as they were before the Special Edition or 2004 Edition changes (such as Luke training on the falcon with a blue/white saber, and the unmodified sabers in the Luke/Vader duel). Certain other scenes show up properly (such as the 2004 CG Jabba). This is true of ANH on DVD, it may also be true of others.

DVD inconsistency:
On the bonus disc, there is an animated menu showing Luke training on the Falcon (taken from ANH). In the scene Luke has a blue lightsaber, yet in the actual film (2004 edition) it is green in the same shot (and was light blue or white in earlier versions).

DVD inconsistency:
In ROTJ when Luke and Vader's sabers clash in front of the Emperor, Luke's green blade appears to be slightly behind Vader's red blade (or, alternately some have described it as appearing as if each saber is "cutting into" or "entangled" in the other). In previous editions the blade cores were so "white" that they appeared to blend perfectly, and we could assume that Vader had put his blade behind Luke's to block it as the scene logic would lead us to believe.

DVD inconsistency:
Vader's lightsaber changes from red to orange in a few shots in ESB (the "cave vision" on Dagobah, and a brief shot where Vader "leaps" towards Luke on Cloud City). Other color inconsistencies give Vader a red, violet or pink saber throughout the trilogy in different shots. Luke's saber gets a yellow, green, or white core in ROTJ additionally.



Greedo's lines to Han Solo in the cantina in ANH are discernably repeated in the background noise of Jabba's court in ROTJ.

Jawa lines that sound like "Here come da window cleaner" (in english) are repeated several times in ANH (the scene where Threepio is met by Jawas after the sandcrawler "droid hold" is opened up and the scenes where Owen Lars is purchasing the droids). Could be rationalized of coures, but still. ;)

An Ewok says a line that sounds like "Dat guy's wise" (in english) in ROTJ as he remarks to a fellow Ewok while Threepio is speaking off camera.

Jabba's lines are translated for us via subtitles in ROTJ, but the audio he speaks is often repeated (yet translated differently or used in a totally different situation). Could be rationalized.

Won't get into possible continuity gaffes between trilogies or between different movies, or deliberate "easter eggs" of course!

Many more but those are just the ones I remember without looking them up.. ;)

Posted: 2005-11-29 12:16pm
by FSTargetDrone
ROTS: Has this been mentioned elsewhere? I noticed it for the first time the other night...

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The viewing angle barely changes, so I think we have a CGI model error here.

Edit: The nose of the ship seems more detailed in the second image.

Edit #2: Note color change behind the cockpit.

Posted: 2005-11-29 01:03pm
by Manus Celer Dei
Kurgan wrote:Bloopers I recall:


Harrison Ford grabs Carrie Fisher's breast in ROTJ in the bunker scene.
Like hell is this a blooper. Don't tell me that you wouldn't try to cop a feel.

Posted: 2005-11-29 02:54pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Before someone mentions it, Luke does not say "Carrie" near the end of ANH when getting out of his X-wing after landing.

While doing work on the Special Edition, Ben Burtt and his team did some reviewing and research to address several sound-related bloopers and myths, and Burtt was able to confirm that the "Carrie" myth was false. The biggest piece of evidence was that they had archived recordings from each take filmed for the scene (which itself makes it unlikely that they would use a take where Hamill flubbed his line so bad), and Burtt's team determined from listening many times that in every take, Hamill says "Hey!".

Mark Hamill himself once addressed the issue saying that in the take used, he was trying to say "Hey, there she is!", refering to Leia, but accidentally cut himself off mid-delivery.

Posted: 2005-11-29 02:57pm
by Ace Pace
Kurgan, wern't most of these resolved in the DVDs?

Posted: 2005-11-29 03:06pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Kurgan lives to nitpick things beyond the point of death and resolve.

Posted: 2005-11-29 03:41pm
by Noble Ire
Several instances of the shadow of a lightsaber blade is visible, such as in ROTJ (final duel between Vader and Luke) and in ROTS (during the duel with Count Dooku).
Aren't lightsabers supposed to cast shadows?

Posted: 2005-11-29 03:45pm
by FSTargetDrone
Kurgan wrote: A small explosion appears in a crevice of an asteroid ahead of the Falcon as it is pursued by TIE Fighters, yet we see no cause (like a laser blast) for the explosion in ESB.
Nope, watch this scene again. A very small asteriod can be seen entering the larger asteroid's crevice and then exploding.

Posted: 2005-11-29 03:55pm
by The Dark
Noble Ire wrote:
Several instances of the shadow of a lightsaber blade is visible, such as in ROTJ (final duel between Vader and Luke) and in ROTS (during the duel with Count Dooku).
Aren't lightsabers supposed to cast shadows?
The blade itself shouldn't, since it emits light (does a lightbulb cast a shadow?). The hilts certainly should, but the blades almost definitely shouldn't.

Posted: 2005-11-29 04:06pm
by Manus Celer Dei
The Dark wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:
Several instances of the shadow of a lightsaber blade is visible, such as in ROTJ (final duel between Vader and Luke) and in ROTS (during the duel with Count Dooku).
Aren't lightsabers supposed to cast shadows?
The blade itself shouldn't, since it emits light (does a lightbulb cast a shadow?). The hilts certainly should, but the blades almost definitely shouldn't.
A lightsabers blade isn't light; the RotS novel says they're "streams of plasma" of something like that.

Posted: 2005-11-29 04:10pm
by Crazedwraith
Manus Celer Dei wrote:
The Dark wrote:
Noble Ire wrote: Aren't lightsabers supposed to cast shadows?
The blade itself shouldn't, since it emits light (does a lightbulb cast a shadow?). The hilts certainly should, but the blades almost definitely shouldn't.
A lightsabers blade isn't light; the RotS novel says they're "streams of plasma" of something like that.
But it still gives off light. Hence the glowing.

Posted: 2005-11-29 04:19pm
by Dooey Jo
The Dark wrote:Does a lightbulb cast a shadow?
Actually, yes. If it's not the main source of light on the wall, you can make a glowing lightbulb cast a shadow.

Posted: 2005-11-29 05:40pm
by Aquatain
Bloopers i have noticed but never heard anybody disguss.

Anh : the red driod with a "bad motivator" seems to be in two places at the same time - right after it blows up c3po says his line about arto being a fine droid - cut to arto and the red driod is right behind him - cut back to luke and the jawas hurry up to fetch the red droid.

Anh : no radar dish on the mellinium falcon in dockin bay 94.

Rotj : landos gun switching sides when talking to han about borrowing the falcon for the attack on DSII.

Posted: 2005-11-29 05:58pm
by FSTargetDrone
Aquatain wrote:Bloopers i have noticed but never heard anybody disguss.

Anh : the red driod with a "bad motivator" seems to be in two places at the same time - right after it blows up c3po says his line about arto being a fine droid - cut to arto and the red driod is right behind him - cut back to luke and the jawas hurry up to fetch the red droid.

Anh : no radar dish on the mellinium falcon in dockin bay 94.

Rotj : landos gun switching sides when talking to han about borrowing the falcon for the attack on DSII.
That stuff from ANH could easily have been remedied in the SE releases... Maybe next time!

Posted: 2005-11-29 07:44pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Crazedwraith wrote:But it still gives off light. Hence the glowing.
Yet the blades still cast shadows, which has been an accepted given for years.

Posted: 2005-11-29 09:06pm
by Mad
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yet the blades still cast shadows, which has been an accepted given for years.
There are also scenes where the blades don't give off shadows even though lighting conditions are the same (Luke standing in the same place in RotJ will give a shadow sometimes and not others, as I recall).

Of course, this is because sometimes Mark had just the hilt prop, and other times he had the hilt and the stick for the blade. But it certainly makes things "interesting" on screen.

Posted: 2005-11-29 10:05pm
by Darth Yoshi
I suppose an SoD explanation is that the shadow's are affected by atmospheric conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.). Granted, it's still weird.