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A longer, more intense Order 66. I felt that the only Jedi to put up much of a fight was Ki-Adi-Mundi.

The Emperor's Royal Guard replacing the Senate Guards: The remaining Senate guards loyal to the Jedi get into a massive brawl with the Royal guards, Lucas finally openly admitting the symbolism (not that he ever actually meant it, since he decided both colors prior to 2000). But anyways, it makes for an excellent red vs. blue battle. Finally, the Emperor comes in and slaughters all of the Senate Guards himself, thus inaugurating his reign by making his elite guard even more elite.

Yoda vs. Palpatine in session: The Senate fight scene would have been more entertaining if the Senate was in session. Maybe Palpatine decides to give him a mock trial on account of his seniority, and Yoda's not amused at all. Witness thousands of senators getting thrown around.

Which brings to another point- why didn't any Imperials attempt to capture Jedi and before executing them? I mean in places such as planets where only one Jedi general is present. That could have made verifying their deaths easier.

Jedis actually dying a quick, brutal end. Instead of Aayla Secura slowly turning around in heroic futility, it would have been interesting to see some Jedi actually get killed by snipers.

A longer, more intense Order 66. I felt that the only Jedi to put up much of a fight was Ki-Adi-Mundi.

Not only would that have ruined the pacing and dramatic effect of the scene, it would have changed it's entire point. The Jedi were taken completely by suprise. They could not escape the trap.

The Emperor's Royal Guard replacing the Senate Guards: The remaining Senate guards loyal to the Jedi get into a massive brawl with the Royal guards, Lucas finally openly admitting the symbolism (not that he ever actually meant it, since he decided both colors prior to 2000). But anyways, it makes for an excellent red vs. blue battle. Finally, the Emperor comes in and slaughters all of the Senate Guards himself, thus inaugurating his reign by making his elite guard even more elite.

That would likely completely alienate a good deal, if not all of the senators. He still needed their support. Besides, why would the senate guard be loyal to the Jedi?

Yoda vs. Palpatine in session: The Senate fight scene would have been more entertaining if the Senate was in session. Maybe Palpatine decides to give him a mock trial on account of his seniority, and Yoda's not amused at all. Witness thousands of senators getting thrown around.

I'm pretty sure Palpatine never wanted to reveal that he was a Sith to the public.

Which brings to another point- why didn't any Imperials attempt to capture Jedi and before executing them? I mean in places such as planets where only one Jedi general is present. That could have made verifying their deaths easier.

Again, suprise. Besides, capturing a Jedi is way more trouble than its worth, especially if your going to just kill them anyways. The purge worked pretty well as it went canonically, only a very few Jedi managed to escape.

Jedis actually dying a quick, brutal end. Instead of Aayla Secura slowly turning around in heroic futility, it would have been interesting to see some Jedi actually get killed by snipers.

I'll give you that, at least.

There should be more action in the middle third of the movie where there was nothing but talking exposition scenes one after another. You can have exposition scenes with some action, George.

For example, instead of Anakin & Padme whispering sweet nothings one scene and being angsty the next, why not show Gunray is still trying to off Padme with Anakin sensing danger and their apartment is attacked by droids or missile or something. This would also reinforce Anakin's resolve to use the dark side to not let her die.

The Kashyyyk battle scenes could do with more story points. Why did the Seps attack Karchiro? What actually happened in the end? Who won? Show it explicitly. Movie's a visual medium dammit. (Yeah it's in supplementary media why and all, but watching the movie itself doesn't reveal the hyperspace route database or whatever it was they were after.)

I'd like to have to see in the heat of battle the clones go Order 66 on the Jedi and this allows the Sep droids to invade Karchiro. The Wookiees fight magnificently to repel the wave of droids but the droids win. Then the clones come in, destroy all the droids, but also blast some of the Wookiees. And they take over Kashyyyk in the name of the Emperor. Yoda, Chewie and Tarrful is shown watching this from afar before slinking away into the darkness.

What is that smilie doing, Spanky?

Anyway, I would have liked to see Anakin/Vader duel A jedi master during his march on the temple. After all, wouldn't there be at least one powerful jedi at the temple? I know some of them left to go get killed by Palpatine, but still.....

Master Bob wrote:What is that smilie doing, Spanky?

Anyway, I would have liked to see Anakin/Vader duel A jedi master during his march on the temple. After all, wouldn't there be at least one powerful jedi at the temple? I know some of them left to go get killed my Palpatine, but still.....

Well he does kill the Jedi Master Cin Drallig, but it's only shown via the video clips. It would've been a decent extra.

And the smilie is essentially a masturbation smile.

Now, Spanky tell us what you really think of the ideas ?

Actually, I would have liked to watch the scene from the novelization in which Anakin kills the Temple gatekeeper. By in large though, the only part I really want expanded is the opening battle.

The only thing I'd do is extend the space battle by a minute or so, and delete the buzz droids.

In the video game, you as Anakin have to defeat Cin Drallig's best pupil, and then Drallig himself. The game's makers first envisioned this as a two-on-one fight, with Anakin using all of his power to win. That would have been damned fun to watch. The Anakin and Obi-Wan vs. Dooku fight would have been more fun if it had been the way it is in the novel, but it would have been way too long. Or maybe Yoda and Chewie having to fight their way through numerous clones before they finally escape.

Vympel wrote:The only thing I'd do is extend the space battle by a minute or so, and delete the buzz droids.

I agree, with actual dogfights instead of things just blowing up in a skirmish. Perhaps Vultures dogging the Jedi and ARC-170s blasting the droids off their tails. And ECMs or chaffs being used to get missiles off them instead of that "Artoo, surge power units" (or whatever the hell it was he said) maneuver.

Why would the Senate Guards be annhiliated? I think they may even persist for awhile with the Imperial Senate.

Frankly, I would only make two changes:

1. Make Anakin and Obi-Wan fight enemy starfighters in the beginning, not "buzz droids". Throw away some of the idiotic slapstick on the ship ("ray shields! Oh no!") in favor of more dogfighting in space.

2. Show Anakin killing Jedi Knights in the Jedi Temple. Not only would this be cool, it would also do a much better job of establishing his credentials as a bad-ass unstoppable Sith than having him slaughter children off-camera.

Old Plympto wrote: There should be more action in the middle third of the movie where there was nothing but talking exposition scenes one after another. You can have exposition scenes with some action, George.

For example, instead of Anakin & Padme whispering sweet nothings one scene and being angsty the next, why not show Gunray is still trying to off Padme with Anakin sensing danger and their apartment is attacked by droids or missile or something. This would also reinforce Anakin's resolve to use the dark side to not let her die.

I disagree. I think one of the problems with Episode II was that a few of the action scenes (the speeder chase, Obi-Wan's space battle with Jango Fett, the droid factory) felt a more than a little pointless and drawn out, as if they were meant solely to keep the audience satisfied until the real battle at the end of the movie. Having a random asassination attempt on Padme, with zero impact on the plot, would interrupt the narrative and break the mood. It would be pretty obvious that it was, just as you're suggesting, a gratuitous action scene inserted with the condescending attitude that the audience is too ADD-addled to go more than five minutes without something blowing up. Luckily, George Lucas got all of his condescending to the audience over with in the first ten minutes of the film.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Why would the Senate Guards be annhiliated? I think they may even persist for awhile with the Imperial Senate.

Not to mention that Palpatine is the Senate, pretty much- I doubt he would have control over the Senate as he did and yet not be able to rely on the Blue Guard. Heck, their change in appearance in between episodes hints that something is afoot. They look much more badass in Ep 3.

Throw away some of the idiotic slapstick on the ship ("ray shields! Oh no!") in favor of more dogfighting in space.

Yeah, same here. Unfortunately these are some of George's favorite scenes in the whole movie. When they were up for deletion he fought it tooth and nail. Damn poor priorities is what it is IMHO.

Agree with what's already been said; I guess lots of people have the same opinion.

Firstly, the buzz droid sequence was way too long. I don't really mind the buzz droids, but the sequence is at least three times longer than it should be. It should be replaced with more dogfighting that shows off the Jedi's Force-enhanced piloting skills, coupled with the Eta-2's maneuverability.. like Anakin flying in the Battle of Muunilist in the Clone Wars series.

Anakin should be shown killing a few more Jedi to establish both his badassery AND his cold-hearted murderishness.

The entire space battle over Coruscant was basically just "Ooh, looky!" and didn't need to go on any longer than it did. I don't give a crap about the manuverability of whatever fighters they were in, I just want to get to the rest of the movie. Lingering outside watching Ani and Obi blow up droids for an extra five minutes would have just slowed things down.

As for showcasing Anakin's cold-blooded nature, I have two words: Dead younglings. That five-second scene in the council chamber established it much better than a drawn-out swordfight against some nameless Jedi would have, especially in a movie that already had at least half a dozen major duels.

Some of you seem to wish the movie had just been an hour of dogfighting, followed up with an hour of swordfighting. No, if I were going to make changes, they would be actual... you know... story changes and not just requests for more shiny explosions.

For example:

The movie (and to a greater extent, the book) just barely touched on the notion of Palpatine making Anakin think Padme was unfaithful, namely with Obi-Wan. I don't buy the notion of those two getting together, nor do I buy the notion of Anakin believing it. So throw that away, and replace it with something better.

Palpatine should have implied to Anakin that Padme was having an affair with Bail Organa. That she was now just using Anakin because of his close relationship with the Chancellor. Anakin would scoff, naturally, but soon his suspiscion would be aroused.

For example, he would see Bail leaving Padme's building at a strange hour of the day. Of course he would have been there merely to discuss their mutual opposition to Palpatine, but Anakin wouldn't know that. He would wait a minute for Bail to leave, then drop in on Padme and casually ask what she had been up to. At that point Padme, not wanting to reveal her political alliance, would make up something about having just gotten home.

Anakin wouldn't say anything right then, but a little dramatic music and a shot of his scowling face would show that the seed of doubt Palpatine had planted was taking root. This would all take no more than a few minutes of screen-time, but would make Anakin's fit of lunatic rage against Padme seem more plausible. You know, have him accuse her just as he puts the choke to her on Mustafar.

Ideally, we would also restore the scene of Anakin standing menacingly over Palpatine's shoulder as he meets the delegates of the 2000 opposing senators. Except our version would have him staring daggers at Bail the whole time. Really, have him visibly disturbed as Anakin practices a proto-Vader intimidation stare on him.

There, that's what I'd do.

LordShaithis wrote:snip

The problem with having suspicion in a non force user is we've seen Anakin or it's been implied Anakin will use the force to get what he wants out of someone. Like in AOTC with the bounty hunter. I'm guessing it's harder for him to probe Obi without him knowing. Palpatine is constantly making his Jedi training obsolete, taunting him with "I though your Jedi insights etc etc", they should have pressed the issue more, not with a love affair but with a political siding supporting Anakin saying she sounds like a separatist.

I think the scene on Utopua should of played out like it did in the book(Obi-Wan engaging the mass of droids surrounding him, BD, SBD, and Magnaguards, before Grievious calls them off, and Grievious attacking in a furry of blows instead of this spinning bullshit, and Obi-Wan being attacked by three floors of Clonetroopers firing on him instead of just one artilery shot) also in general I would have liked to seen the Jedi Generals(knights and what not ok, but the Jedi that have been in constant combat for years now) taken down with a little more excessive force.

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Master Bob wrote:What is that smilie doing, Spanky?

Anyway, I would have liked to see Anakin/Vader duel A jedi master during his march on the temple. After all, wouldn't there be at least one powerful jedi at the temple? I know some of them left to go get killed my Palpatine, but still.....

Well he does kill the Jedi Master Cin Drallig, but it's only shown via the video clips. It would've been a decent extra.

i loved the Episode III video game. If you want a more in depth March on the Temple play the game. Cin Drallig and his apprentice put up a good fight

Meest wrote:The problem with having suspicion in a non force user is we've seen Anakin or it's been implied Anakin will use the force to get what he wants out of someone. Like in AOTC with the bounty hunter.

Except Anakin can't just grab Bail in the middle of the Senate and scream "TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW!" while putting the Force-whammy on him. He could try to read their minds surreptitiously, but who says that's going to get results? All he may find is that they're hiding something, which would lead him to the wrong conclusion.

LordShaithis wrote:

Meest wrote:The problem with having suspicion in a non force user is we've seen Anakin or it's been implied Anakin will use the force to get what he wants out of someone. Like in AOTC with the bounty hunter.

Except Anakin can't just grab Bail in the middle of the Senate and scream "TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW!" while putting the Force-whammy on him. He could try to read their minds surreptitiously, but who says that's going to get results? All he may find is that they're hiding something, which would lead him to the wrong conclusion.

true both the Senate os not in session 24/7 and while Anakin is passionate he can wait for a propper time, also this story line might not alianate Anakin from Obi-Wan.

Palpatine's fight would go down like in the novel.