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I once read somewhere that most Imperial ships (and presumingly rebel ones, as well) run on "Hypermatter Generators". How is this possible? My only guess is that the generator would alter the atomic arrangement of the fuel. Am I even the slightest bit correct? This form of power generation is most intriguing to me.
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They run on hypermatter reactors, in which hyppermatter is annihilated.
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I thought they got the hypermatter from a white hole or something...
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Wong has something about hypermatter reactors on his site.
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There is really such a thing as Hypermatter.

It can be one of several things:

Any matter who's Nucleus is contains of particles other than the standard proton, Nuetrons. this is called Hypernuclei. Hyperons ( A particle that seem like a heavy proton or nuetron) is one type of substituting particle.

Any matter containing strange Quarks- called a Strangelet

and lastly super elements - Nucleus with atomic numbers beyond Uranium and that lies in a theorical island of stablitily.

While the last choice may not exist, the other two does. In each case they would have high mass in relativitly low volume ( Superdense). Stranglet made of strange quarks would be highly stable and strangelets would be as massive as Nuetronium.

In both case both type of matter would have antimatter version ( Strangelets made of anti strange quarks, Anti Hyperons, etc) and would have a higher energy density than Anti hydrogen.

see http://www.th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~ ... r/ger.html for more information
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Thanks.
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I thought in SW it was possible that hypermatter involved Hyperspace?

Or am I having an Idiot Moment?
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there is a mention

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There is a mention in several EU novels , that Hypermatter is involved in jumping into Hyperspace. Maybe they assume that it has imaginary mass like a Tachyon.
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If I were a writer, and had the information that I do, I would explain it thus:

Hypermatter involves the annihilation of super-dense matter (as evidenced by the reactant silos of the Acclamator being many orders of magnitude more massive than the ship itself) contained inside a sphere of hyperspace in the reactor... the hyperspatial insertion being necessary to keep the ultradense annihilation from tearing the ship to smithereens.

I threw in that last sentence just because I like the word "smithereens".

Note: I'm not claiming this has any authority. I just think it works. But, really, hypermatter is just "magic technology that just works". Like hyperdrive or shields or all that crap. Who cares HOW it works?
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Indeed- how things work should be avoided like the plague. What they do is the most important- how turbolasers make 200GT isn't the issue- the question is what happens when they hit something :)
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I thought that hypermatter annihilation did two things:
1) MA/AM level efficency
2) Punctures a small hole into hyperspace for a short amount of time

Now 2 is the important part because in SW, hyperspace is jampacked with energies, what if they created this small temp. hole which causes energy from hyperspace to rush in at the point where the two particles annihialated each other? That'd give you a source of energy that'd give more than 100% return energy, by getting it from another place.

Also, possibly multiple reactions could possibly cause larger longer lasting holes in which energy flows into the reactor and then the hypermatter annihilation is kept up to keep the hole open, one could then make it larger by increasing hypermatter annihilation rates, or smaller by decreasing said rate, or stop it all together.
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why so complex

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why go that route, when real hypermatter promise the high concertation of matter in a small volumn.

In the case of Stranglet a teaspoon of the stuff weights thousand of Tons... It as massive as Nuetronium.

A Speck of Stranglet and Anti stranglet the size of a duct particle would give off as much energy as the tons of normal Baryon matter and antimatter.
Combine with the low energy and reliable anti gravity technology that the SW universe possess, handling the massive weight is a snap.
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Since it still limits us with the problem of E=mc^2, which is definitly a real problem just by looking at accelerations and fuel, and the more fuel you have, the more mass, and therefore more energy, it's a bad loop, which I find insufficient to explain said accelerative capabilities.
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Sorry, HDS, from the only Official data on it, you have to bow to E=MC^2

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Most starships use fusion systems that confine more-powerful hypermatter
annihilation cores. The interiors of the mighties war vessels are dominated
by huge reactors cores and ultra-dense fuel silos, which enable them to
perform massive planetary bombardments and sustain hours of thousand-G
accelerations before refuelling."
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I though HM was matter from hyperspace.
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Why do I have to yield to it? And actually I'd still not be violating it since by my theory it does not create more energy from nothing, just takes it from another place.

There's still the problem of mass/accel. ratios, I believe ClaysGhost had some good points on this one.
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Well, Hyperspace is just the regular universe observed from tachyonic rates, so I don't know how possible it is for something to be "drawn" form it...
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Other sources also says hyperspace is chock-full of energy.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, Hyperspace is just the regular universe observed from tachyonic rates, so I don't know how possible it is for something to be "drawn" form it...
Considering that SW has artificial gravity, maybe the reactors have a gravity generator/manipulator of its own that they use to concentrate a massive force of gravity in one point. Maybe that causes a tear in space or something and hyperspace trickles into realspace.
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Except that Hyperspace is Realspace, just from an FTL perspective.
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I guess I was thinking more along the lines of B5 hyperspace.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Except that Hyperspace is Realspace, just from an FTL perspective.
There is differing evidence on what hyperspace is.
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I believe that's what Saxton's evaluation of it is.

And it's also what I think the best answer is, as it makes the most sense.
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It depends, personally an amalgation of all the evidence would be my preference.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:It depends, personally an amalgation of all the evidence would be my preference.
Hey, let's do that for all theroies! We could call the force that pulls us down ether-gravi-gnome-magic! :P

But serriously, tachyonic space makes the most sense. Don't need to fudge it up with other vague theories of subspace, other dimensions, etc ad infinitum...
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