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Posted: **2006-01-11 05:40am**

I put up a blog about the latest Canon-EU silliness:

http://blogs.starwars.com/hydrospanner/5

Posted: **2006-01-11 06:16am**

That was an interesting read.

It's just too bad the only people who will give it serious attention are those who already know it, like the people of this board. Those who disagree will either ignore or try to argue.

Posted: **2006-01-11 07:18am**

An excellent blog, Lord Poe!

I agree with JediMaster415, the people that has been active over at the Official Forums doesn't realize themselves that their arguments are absurd (or more specifically, the LFL/LL seperation).

Posted: **2006-01-11 07:25am**

Mange the Swede wrote:An excellent blog, Lord Poe!

I agree with JediMaster415, the people that has been active over at the Official Forums doesn't realize themselves that their arguments are absurd (or more specifically, the LFL/LL seperation).

Not sure about that, Swede. I think deep down they know their arguments are absurd.

BTW, wow.. Karen Traviss commented on my blog!

Posted: **2006-01-11 09:03am**

Good to see the collection of quotes being showcased more prominently, Poe!

I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used.

At first glance, this kind of quote would have Dorkstar salivating, but when you factor in the bolded part, and his checking of the "SW encyclopedia" when naming something, DS' counter-arguments fall apart. Why bother to keep things consistent, if this "parallell universe" doesn't apply at all?

Maybe you should add some specific case-examples as well, like Lucas telling people working on CW-stuff to not have a wookiee Jedi in that time-frame (to avoid people asking "where's the wookiee Jedi?" during the Battle of Kashyyyk in ROTS).

Posted: **2006-01-11 02:31pm**

These are good quotes, but the retards like Darkstar will often take the same exact quotes and say it supports them. Just a little analysis shows that Lucas accepts the EU as "real," but these morons usually get fixated on words like "parallel universe."

Posted: **2006-01-11 02:37pm**

As I'm in the process of debating some other movie purist retards (SW fans no less!) I went searching for some more canon quotes, and found this thread. Can anyone provide a source and date for these quotes, which refutes the ridiculous (but often spouted) idea that Lucas has no involvement in the EU?

DR: How much of a role did George Lucas play in shaping
the series (the New Jedi Order)?

LW (Lucy Wilson, director of publishing, Lucasfilm):
George Lucas has been involved in all of the spin-off Star Wars publishing, but only on big concepts or plot points . The initial five-year NJO plot outline and early thoughts on who might die were sent to him in the form of a Q&A memo and subsequently discussed by phone.

SS (Shelly Shapiro, Editorial director, Del Ray Books):
We didn’t get George’s permission to kill Chewie in particular: Chewie was simply not one of the characters George said we could not kill.

Posted: **2006-01-11 03:19pm**

Very good Poe. I actually had to go hunting through your site for quotes like these when I was debating a movie purist there a while back, when I could still post on the OS. Nice to see the hard info spreading.

Posted: **2006-01-11 04:39pm**

Jim Raynor wrote:As I'm in the process of debating some other movie purist retards (SW fans no less!) I went searching for some more canon quotes, and found this thread. Can anyone provide a source and date for these quotes, which refutes the ridiculous (but often spouted) idea that Lucas has no involvement in the EU?

DR: How much of a role did George Lucas play in shaping
the series (the New Jedi Order)?

LW (Lucy Wilson, director of publishing, Lucasfilm):
George Lucas has been involved in all of the spin-off Star Wars publishing, but only on big concepts or plot points . The initial five-year NJO plot outline and early thoughts on who might die were sent to him in the form of a Q&A memo and subsequently discussed by phone.

SS (Shelly Shapiro, Editorial director, Del Ray Books):
We didn’t get George’s permission to kill Chewie in particular: Chewie was simply not one of the characters George said we could not kill.

Jim, that's from an interview session that can be found in the back of the The Unifying Force NJO novel (it can also be found in the Vector Prime e-book, but I think it's longer in The Unifying Force).

Posted: **2006-01-12 12:35pm**

Lord Poe, are you familiar with this BBC interview in which George Lucas says among other things that:

Now it's all over, do you feel a sense of loss at all?

No, it's more like having your kids go off to college. They still come back when they need money and they'll be there for holidays. We're doing a couple of TV series, but I'm not really involved with it. One is an animated series about The Clone Wars; all the characters are in it but obviously there's not much character arc. And one is a live action series about minor characters in the saga. So it's still going to be around. I'm going to go off and do my thing, the company is going to go off and do theirs. But the comicbooks, novels and games that are out there are going to have a life of their own. So it is sort of like sending the kids off to college. Now it's on its own, doing its own thing. I just reserved the theatrical arena for this saga which, as I say, started out as a two-hour idea and turned into 12 hours of story.

Posted: **2006-01-12 01:08pm**

Tue Sep 20, 2005

The latest from Lucas in the N.Y Post

The New York Post managed to catch up wtih George Lucas last week while attending the Dressing the Galaxy fashion show in NYC

Lucas sounds off on the planning of his "Star Wars" TV show, originally said to be for next year - in addition to a continuation of the animated "Clone Wars" series.

"There will be a live-action show, but I don't know if it'll be in 2006," he says. "I haven't even started writing the script."

He does know, however, that the show will take place between Episodes III and IV, and will focus on the little people - those weird-looking creatures you glimpse fleetingly in the background.

"It's all minor, minor characters [from the movies]," says the director. "It's not the Skywalker story at all - that's going on in another part of the galaxy."

Emphasis mine.

Posted: **2006-01-12 01:27pm**

Swede, VT-16, its too bad I didn't know about those quotes. I would have included them!

Strange. My interest in SW has been on a far back burner for a few months now. (I don't even own ROTS yet.) I throw together a blog as an afterthought due to Darkstar's trolling bands on sw.com, and it becomes very popular.

Posted: **2006-01-12 01:39pm**

VT-16 wrote:"It's all minor, minor characters [from the movies]," says the director. "It's not the Skywalker story at all - that's going on in another part of the galaxy."

I wonder if they might cave and include some of the minor characters from the EU. I've always wanted to see a really good screen portrayal of Prince Xizor (one of the more interesting minor characters if I do say so myself.) Just something to cross my fingers for.

Posted: **2006-01-12 04:08pm**

I thought I saw a quote by Rick McCallum saying there would be some EU characters in the series. Though this is McCallum we're talking about. ;)

Posted: **2006-01-15 02:10am**

Hold on to your boxcutters, fellow SD.Net "talifans", for Scooter has commented on my blog.

Just try to read that! For extra credit, try to understand what the fuck he's ranting about!

Jesus fucking christ; this guy is his own worst enemy!

Posted: **2006-01-15 02:35am**

I love how he always tries to pretend he's some kind of reasonable, logical type of guy, all around pretty cool, on his own site, but whenever he goes ANYWHERE else, he goes crazy with his "I AM right, no matter what anyone else says" attitude.

I guess it's the castle-in-isolation type thing -- from a distance, all on its own, with nothing to compare it to, it looks majestic and impregnable. Get up close, examine it, touch it, and it topples over, for it was always just made from sand, anyway. He can do a pretty convincing (to the situationally ignorant) bluster when he doesn't have anyone around to compare him to, but he looks absolutely ridiculous next to pretty much anyone else.

Posted: **2006-01-15 02:40am**

Lord Poe wrote:Hold on to your boxcutters, fellow SD.Net "talifans", for Scooter has commented on my blog.

Just try to read that! For extra credit, try to understand what the fuck he's ranting about!

Jesus fucking christ; this guy is his own worst enemy!

Okay, I must not have experiance with DS, but I've just read that twice and I have no idea what the hell was his point. Aside from you twisting evidence.

Posted: **2006-01-15 07:15am**

Lord Poe wrote:Hold on to your boxcutters, fellow SD.Net "talifans", for Scooter has commented on my blog.

Just try to read that! For extra credit, try to understand what the fuck he's ranting about!

Jesus fucking christ; this guy is his own worst enemy!

I read it yesterday, but it was the standard longwinded rant that didn't make any sense whatsoever.
Oh, and today he announced a new website, CanonWars.com, in his blog... Oh brother...

Posted: **2006-01-15 07:28am**

Has any one else noticed this.

2. Leland Chee, Lucas Licensing, who said the quote "makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe."

Notice how by leaving out the word “You” he attempts to change the meaning of the quote. I also could not find the quote on the linked page either.

Posted: **2006-01-15 07:32am**

It's his typical carnival of falsehoods gathered under his pathetic canon-delusion circus tent, to borrow Wayne's hilarious metaphor. His quote of Chee in that manner is particularly laughable, since we all know that Chee immediately followed up his comment with:

*drum roll*

It is Not.

We all know he tries to get around the unfortunate fact of being told he's wrong by saying that's just Licensing's "point of view"- as if it's some sort of seperate entity and in spite of the fact that he's been told straight out that there is no other canon policy in existence. Instead, he constructs a fictional policy derived from his interpretation of George Lucas quotes, where the word "canon" or "policy" appears in none of them.

Posted: **2006-01-15 07:37am**

Glimmervoid wrote:Has any one else noticed this.

2. Leland Chee, Lucas Licensing, who said the quote "makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe."
Notice how by leaving out the word “You” he attempts to change the meaning of the quote. I also could not find the quote on the linked page either.

Yes, he left out vital things from that quote:

George Lucas said in the Starlog magazine...
GL is certainly not bound by the EU, though he's certainly open to using things created in it (Aayla Secura and the Coruscant name, for example). On the other hand, the quote you provide makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe. It is not. The EU must follow certain tenets set by George through the films and other guidelines that he provides outside of the films.

The post can be found at the top of the page that Darkstar linked to (but I wonder how many actually cares to click on the links).

Posted: **2006-01-15 08:25am**

I think Scooter may be latching onto the fact that Lucas doesn't read the EU. As if that disqualifies it from being canon: Lucas can't possibly give the "George Lucas Seal of Approval" to each and every novel individually because he has not read those novels. Never mind the blanket statement that all the EU are part of the canon, but overridden by the films where they conflict doesn't seem to make it through his thick skull to penetrate the soft gooshy goodness of his grey matter.

Posted: **2006-01-15 09:20am**

Vympel wrote:It's his typical carnival of falsehoods gathered under his pathetic canon-delusion circus tent, to borrow Wayne's hilarious metaphor. His quote of Chee in that manner is particularly laughable, since we all know that Chee immediately followed up his comment with:

*drum roll*

It is Not.

Darkstar is just like the creationists! They say:
"Darwin wrote in his book: The evolution of the eye seems absurd in the highest possible degree."
They leave out the next three pages describing how it is not so.

Darkstar says:
"Chee said: Makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe."
He leaves out the rest of the quote describing how it is not so.

Supposedly, he doesn't like creationists very much. Why then can't he see that he's using the exact same bloody tactics? Delusional...

Posted: **2006-01-15 09:32am**

Lord Poe wrote:Hold on to your boxcutters, fellow SD.Net "talifans", for Scooter has commented on my blog.

Just try to read that! For extra credit, try to understand what the fuck he's ranting about!

Jesus fucking christ; this guy is his own worst enemy!

He is, and what's funny is aside from people who see it as the most delusional versus material written, only his acolytes give a damn, and hell he could say the sun is blue and I'm sure a couple of them would believe him.

I have to admit, comedy does indeed write itself. How can it not, when he takes a Persuasive writing course, from a MIDDLE SCHOOL as a cornerstone for his argument. While many older ASVSers, and even SDnetters wonder why give a fuck, I find enjoyment or anger when you bring up this garbage. It shows many of us, that really when one goes "He's a fucking nut.", we're not maligning a person who's askew from us, but truly a fucking nut.

Posted: **2006-01-15 09:41am**

Lord Poe wrote:Hold on to your boxcutters, fellow SD.Net "talifans", for Scooter has commented on my blog.

Just try to read that! For extra credit, try to understand what the fuck he's ranting about!

Jesus fucking christ; this guy is his own worst enemy!

My pity for him increased exponentially as, for the first time, just how much time he has on his hands becomes clear. 7 pages of obfuscatory verbiage; hell, it takes me at least five hours to put something that long together for school, and that's without counting time spent actually composing the structure of the paper, revising, and editing.

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