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I think it's a good question. But you have to look outside the box Anikan was the Savior and had no father. This was all equal to Jesus, as Shmi was the virgin Mary. The Force, creator of life and complete power, could be his father or maybe in this case creator. While the force was God. I don't know if i'm aloud to post this I searched the site and couldn't find anything against this. If anyone finds something put a link please. But I hope you put as many posts on this before it locks, if it does. Also I don't know if this has been posted. I'm almost innocent if I spent time to search the whole site.

Does it draw some parallels? Yes. Is it equal?

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Jedi Guardian wrote:I think it's a good question. But you have to look outside the box Anikan was the Savior and had no father. This was all equal to Jesus, as Shmi was the virgin Mary. The Force, creator of life and complete power, could be his father or maybe in this case creator. While the force was God.

Literarily, you could make a case for this. On the one hand, I've heard people say Lucas was giving a nod to the Christian mythos when he wrote in Darth Vader as a sacrificial character; on the other hand, I have no idea if that can actually be verified in real life, and I suspect Lucas would deny it, if asked.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

13 going on 14 but hat's not the point. Yes another thing, Anakin is the saivior, would be represent Jesus and die for the people of the Republic.

Wrong. Anakin's sacrifice brought balance to the Force, ridding the Galaxy of the Sith once and for all and paving way for a new uncorrupted Jedi order.

Making it a 100% literal Christ analogy doesn't work, because the people of the Republic have no sin for Anakin to redeem.

Anakin died for his son. He didn't give two shits about the rest of the galaxy (or the balance of the force, for that matter).

I'm sure there was some inspiration there for Lucas, but nothing more.

Also, I originally read the title as "Is Star Wars a sequel to the Bible?"

It may be bed time.

The star wars story draws much of its influence from myth, as has been reported by far too many sources. It just so happens that the christian "mythos" has a strong resemblance to the rest of the world of myth.

George Lucas may indeed have drawn upon christian themes to make the story, but it doesn't mean that Star Wars is even close to the bible. There is more evidence of other myths such as king arthur, especially in the OT.

Saying the star wars trilogy has the same significance as the bible is like saying the matrix trilogy has the same significance, since there is even more christian symbolism in those movies.

Elheru Aran wrote:Does it draw some parallels? Yes. Is it equal?

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Still, not knowing it he did save the people of the Rebuplic. By dieing to rid of the reign of Palpatine he not only brought balance but discontinued the reign of the Empire. It really dosn't matter if he didn't realize it or didn't care about, he died saving the people not just Luke. They also may not have sins to die for but almost like Christ died to bring peace.

Jedi Guardian wrote:Still, not knowing it he did save the people of the Rebuplic. By dieing to rid of the reign of Palpatine he not only brought balance but discontinued the reign of the Empire. It really dosn't matter if he didn't realize it or didn't care about, he died saving the people not just Luke. They also may not have sins to die for but almost like Christ died to bring peace.

The man who brought the dictator to power reneging at the last minute, and dying as a result? Sorry, this is a theme found in plenty of other stories.

The literary similarities are centred entirely on drawing alot more into Vader's death and sacrifice for his son than can be reasonably said to be there. It's got far more connections to the cliches of fantasy high adventure.

And outside of the literary, there's simply no question. One is a book which has shaped the world two thousand years later, the other is a series of popular films over the course of a few decades.

Jedi Guardian wrote:Still, not knowing it he did save the people of the Rebuplic. By dieing to rid of the reign of Palpatine he not only brought balance but discontinued the reign of the Empire. It really dosn't matter if he didn't realize it or didn't care about, he died saving the people not just Luke. They also may not have sins to die for but almost like Christ died to bring peace.

Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

000 wrote:

Jedi Guardian wrote:Still, not knowing it he did save the people of the Rebuplic. By dieing to rid of the reign of Palpatine he not only brought balance but discontinued the reign of the Empire. It really dosn't matter if he didn't realize it or didn't care about, he died saving the people not just Luke. They also may not have sins to die for but almost like Christ died to bring peace.

Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

EU sort of makes* it clear that Palpy was intrested in becoming some vast cosmic dark side conscioussness, which would entail mental enslavement for pretty much everybody else. So, Vaders way works better.


*By which I mean I recall vaguely reading something about it.

000 wrote:Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

How so?

Jedi Guardian wrote:

000 wrote:Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

How so?

So what do you think happens when hundreds of power mad despots decide they want a larger piece of the pie and start flinging massive bolts of death at each other?

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000 wrote:

Jedi Guardian wrote:Still, not knowing it he did save the people of the Rebuplic. By dieing to rid of the reign of Palpatine he not only brought balance but discontinued the reign of the Empire. It really dosn't matter if he didn't realize it or didn't care about, he died saving the people not just Luke. They also may not have sins to die for but almost like Christ died to bring peace.

Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

EU sort of makes* it clear that Palpy was intrested in becoming some vast cosmic dark side conscioussness, which would entail mental enslavement for pretty much everybody else. So, Vaders way works better.


*By which I mean I recall vaguely reading something about it.

Palpatine's ultimate plan was to basically create a pure Dark Side ruling, with him at the head. His grandest notion was what he did on Byss applied on a universal scale....or at least galactic.

Jedi Guardian wrote:

000 wrote:Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

How so?

Ever hear of something called the Imperial Civil War?

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Jedi Guardian wrote:

000 wrote:Oddly enough, Vader's betrayal arguably caused trillions more deaths than would have occurred had he not attacked Palpatine.

How so?

Ever hear of something called the Imperial Civil War?

Indeed, the loss of life on board the Empire's deployable Star Destroyers (25,000 or so at Endor, mere hundreds half a decade later) is in excess of 750 million. However, I would be more inclined to blame that on Palpatine himself, for having no line of succession in place beyond himself and a single, volitile student.

You can draw practically any kind of parallel if you really want:
Luke is an angst-filled teen made fun of by his peers without any biological parents. He develops the ability to leap great distances, sense danger before it happens, and he frequently is found swinging or climbing ropes (or similar things). Also, he decided to fight evil after the tragic murder of his uncle.

Therefore, the story of Star Wars is clearly based upon Amazing Spider-man.

Sonnenburg wrote:You can draw practically any kind of parallel if you really want:
Luke is an angst-filled teen made fun of by his peers without any biological parents. He develops the ability to leap great distances, sense danger before it happens, and he frequently is found swinging or climbing ropes (or similar things). Also, he decided to fight evil after the tragic murder of his uncle.

Therefore, the story of Star Wars is clearly based upon Amazing Spider-man.

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*wipes tear*

Thank you.

Jedi Guardian wrote:13 going on 14 but hat's not the point.

Ahh; much makes sense now.

Yes another thing, Anakin is the saivior, would be represent Jesus and die for the people of the Republic.

The people whom he betrayed? The analogy doesn't go much further than his death and killing of Palpatine.

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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Jedi Guardian wrote: How so?

Ever hear of something called the Imperial Civil War?

Indeed, the loss of life on board the Empire's deployable Star Destroyers (25,000 or so at Endor, mere hundreds half a decade later) is in excess of 750 million. However, I would be more inclined to blame that on Palpatine himself, for having no line of succession in place beyond himself and a single, volitile student.

That, plus the massive destruction during the Imperial Civil War that Spanky mentined, particularly on Coruscant which was all but depopulated... and then there's the Vong war, which resulted in even more devastation and 300 trillion + dead, which Palpatine was preparing for...

And now we have hints that circa 145 ABY the galaxy is still in shambles...

Surlethe wrote:The people whom he betrayed? The analogy doesn't go much further than his death and killing of Palpatine.

I guess that's were I screw up a bit but still at that moment he didn't think about the other people he was saving. Palpatine represented Satine and Vader, Jesus so when he rided of Palpatine he rided of evil for a good time. I haven't given it much thought except the plot in Ep. I.

Sonnenburg wrote:You can draw practically any kind of parallel if you really want:
Luke is an angst-filled teen made fun of by his peers without any biological parents. He develops the ability to leap great distances, sense danger before it happens, and he frequently is found swinging or climbing ropes (or similar things). Also, he decided to fight evil after the tragic murder of his uncle.

Therefore, the story of Star Wars is clearly based upon Amazing Spider-man.

Uh there are a couple problems with your theory but then again it is pretty amusing. Luke was never made fun of except when his friends didn't belive his stories, the original book. Now as for leaping great distances, sense danger before it happens, and found swinging or climbing ropes two of those things sound a little like the force but the other two well...

Sonnenburg wrote:You can draw practically any kind of parallel if you really want:
Luke is an angst-filled teen made fun of by his peers without any biological parents. He develops the ability to leap great distances, sense danger before it happens, and he frequently is found swinging or climbing ropes (or similar things). Also, he decided to fight evil after the tragic murder of his uncle.

Therefore, the story of Star Wars is clearly based upon Amazing Spider-man.

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That's definitely a keeper.

Jedi Guardian wrote:Uh there are a couple problems with your theory but then again

..but then again, there are more problems with yours?