Stormtrooper scopes

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-02-07 08:32pm

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A really cool touch on the Master Replicas reproduction of the classic E-11. The red matches the graphic-style we see on Zam Wessell's binoculars, her sniper rifle, and Vader's mask. As an officially licesned replica, should we consider this reproduction accurate?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-02-07 08:35pm

Vympel wrote:Link

A really cool touch on the Master Replicas reproduction of the classic E-11. The red matches the graphic-style we see on Zam Wessell's binoculars, her sniper rifle, and Vader's mask. As an officially licesned replica, should we consider this reproduction accurate?

Well, it does look like it might be. Still, I find it a bit odd that what would appear to be the range-finder is displaying text rather than numerals (of course, I may be wrong on that; my Aerubesh is a bit rusty).

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-02-07 08:42pm

Never mention Aurbesh again. It doesn't make sense when applied to known text in the movies, so it's more WEG garbage.

It looks too busy for a CQB quick-acquisition sight, and that crosshair looks utterly useless for long-range shooting. The blast will hit... somewhere in that area. Having tines that stop before meeting (so as to not obscure the target) would have been a better idea that those four carats.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-02-07 08:45pm

To me it's simply a "paused" representation of what would in reality be a computerized imager, like Zam Wessell's scope in AotC. I doubt it'd simply be frozen like that.

As for Arubesh or however it's spelt, IIRC the 2004 ANH DVD replaced the english on the tractor beam with Arubesh that supposedly can be understood in reference to the EU.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-02-07 08:48pm

I would hope not!

If the carats are a visual trackng system as used in Wessels scope, that would solve most of the problems. Makes one wonder why its not sending the image to the helmet. Are there any visible controls for a targetting system on the gun itself?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-02-07 08:49pm

Stark wrote:Never mention Aurbesh again. It doesn't make sense when applied to known text in the movies, so it's more WEG garbage.

It looks too busy for a CQB quick-acquisition sight, and that crosshair looks utterly useless for long-range shooting. The blast will hit... somewhere in that area. Having tines that stop before meeting (so as to not obscure the target) would have been a better idea that those four carats.

Considering the nature of the sight seen in AOTC, I would not be surprised of the reticle was able to contract and move, as the figures of "a completely unnamed and un-elaborated language" are plainly supposed to be able to do.

*Damn it.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-02-07 08:50pm

lol sorry for snapping. I just hate that so many SW things (games, mods, fanfilms etc) proudly use that Aurebesh bullshit to make their name look 'Star Warsy' when just looking at images on screens in ROTJ show that it's meaningless. :S

I'm still not sure how the system would be controlled, though. I'll have to dig around for good pics of the weapon props themselves.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-02-07 08:54pm

lol sorry for snapping. I just hate that so many SW things (games, mods, fanfilms etc) proudly use that Aurebesh bullshit to make their name look 'Star Warsy' when just looking at images on screens in ROTJ show that it's meaningless. :S

Its all right. I must admit to finding it irritating myself sometimes; I once took the time to decipher the markings on a docking bay wall in KOTOR 2, only to find that they were complete gibberish.

I suppose, in universe, grammatical structure could be quite drastically different, but its still pretty annoying.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-02-07 08:55pm

Yeah, like whole screens not having a single vowel makes it hard to be language.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2006-02-08 03:34pm

Because Aurebesh isn't real; why would Basic be grammatically and syntactically identical to English, just single-point letter-to-symbol transformation being the only difference? Its an entirely alien non-Indo-European language.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-02-08 04:38pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Vympel wrote:Link

A really cool touch on the Master Replicas reproduction of the classic E-11. The red matches the graphic-style we see on Zam Wessell's binoculars, her sniper rifle, and Vader's mask. As an officially licesned replica, should we consider this reproduction accurate?
Well, it does look like it might be. Still, I find it a bit odd that what would appear to be the range-finder is displaying text rather than numerals (of course, I may be wrong on that; my Aerubesh is a bit rusty).

The text is "TARGET" and "DIST x-x M".

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-02-08 07:41pm

Thought so

PayBack · Post by **PayBack** » 2006-02-08 07:54pm

Stark wrote:I would hope not!

If the carats are a visual trackng system as used in Wessels scope, that would solve most of the problems. Makes one wonder why its not sending the image to the helmet. Are there any visible controls for a targetting system on the gun itself?

I would have thought laser sites would have made more sense, especially if the only showed up through Stormtrooper helmets, and in 3 different colours. your own laser shows one colour, your squad commanders another, and the rest of the squad a third colour. That way you know where your aiming, your mates, and anything your leader is pointing out.

It would at least explain while so few ST's actually used their scopes or even iron sites.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-02-08 08:54pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Because Aurebesh isn't real; why would Basic be grammatically and syntactically identical to English, just single-point letter-to-symbol transformation being the only difference? Its an entirely alien non-Indo-European language.

Noone with a clue ever worked for WEG? Case closed, and I wish we could just forget about the whole 'aurebesh' thing. They even name their alphabet the same way we do! Lame.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-02-08 09:02pm

Never mention Aurbesh again. It doesn't make sense when applied to known text in the movies, so it's more WEG garbage.

Yes it originated in a bullshit interpretation, but both AOTC and the re-revised ANH have readable Aurebesh (I guess ROTS has as well, but I haven't looked for it).

I did like the explanation that the garbled letters in ROTJ where part of some military encryption system. Blah, whatever. At least we don't have the SW equivilant of a Klingon language course IRL.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-02-08 09:08pm

Well, there was Klingon in RotS, on the Mustafar shield display

Jedi Guardian · Post by **Jedi Guardian** » 2006-02-08 09:56pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The text is "TARGET" and "DIST x-x M".

Do you by any chance have some kind of guide that tells you the language? All I have is the Monopoly Version of Star Wars and on the back of the instructions it has the key.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-02-08 11:58pm

Jedi Guardian wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:The text is "TARGET" and "DIST x-x M".
Do you by any chance have some kind of guide that tells you the language? All I have is the Monopoly Version of Star Wars and on the back of the instructions it has the key.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/preq/text.html#basic
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/weg/wegabc.gif

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2006-02-09 03:47am

Just for the record, the distance on the scope reads 356.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-02-09 06:14am

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:Just for the record, the distance on the scope reads 356.

If we can attain any form of canonicity to the above picture, it would conflict with the WEG and WOTC E-11 max range of 300 m.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-09 06:53am

nightmare wrote:If we can attain any form of canonicity to the above picture, it would conflict with the WEG and WOTC E-11 max range of 300 m.

Yards, feet, cubits, hands, palpatine's-wangs (this one would result in a range of around three meters), inches. Take your pick.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-02-09 07:25am

NecronLord wrote:
nightmare wrote:If we can attain any form of canonicity to the above picture, it would conflict with the WEG and WOTC E-11 max range of 300 m.
Yards, feet, cubits, hands, palpatine's-wangs (this one would result in a range of around three meters), inches. Take your pick.

Meters.

Although I'm a bit curious how Khyron determined the numeral value, since I personally can't even make out what they are on the scope...

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I see how he made it out, although I'd still like to know, because it's very hard to make out those numbers.

Also, I don't really see a problem with a rangefinder indicating a target's distance even when the target is out of range.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2006-02-09 09:18am

I've got the aurabesh font on my computer so I just compared the two.

At first, I thought the first number might be a two, but the stem is too long.

Actually, as you can see here the numbers are not a solid shape but the small size makes them look that way.

Also, on a side note. A few weeks ago I got tired with my display's appearance so I changed it.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-02-09 11:32am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Also, I don't really see a problem with a rangefinder indicating a target's distance even when the target is out of range.

Still better than nothing. Pictures convince the illiterate

Up until now all we had was "powered scope".

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-09 01:16pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Meters.

Incorrect. I have proved in the past that the canonical imperial forces do not use metic measurements of distance. The 'sixteen decimal blah' in ESB is not kilometers.

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