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Construction times and ICS
Posted: 2006-02-16 05:34pm
by Count Dooku
Does anyone care to venture a guess as to what the construction time on various ships are? Like the Venator, Acclamator and Imperator class cap-ships, and the X-wing, TIE Fighter, ARC-170, Vulture driods, and the like?
My second question is in regards to the ICS (Incredible Cross Sections). I don't own any of the books, and I know - more or less - what they are about. What all is in them? Just ship specifications and a picture or two? A lot of places on the net, including a lot of people here, use the ICS as a reference. I almost feel like I'm at a disadvantage when talking about Star Wars without it.
Posted: 2006-02-16 06:26pm
by nightmare
The first is a somewhat complex question. One can use pure canon and extrapolate the construction time of the DS2. Another way is to estimate the Imperial fleet buildup time, like 25,000 ISDs over a few years. Or you can use WDs which apparently could spit out TIE drones by the minute?
Or one can use secondary sources like SoG, but I wouldn't recommend that, it's just game mechanics.
The second - yeah, pretty much, but they're neat
Posted: 2006-02-16 06:30pm
by AK_Jedi
The drawings are very well done, and give you a look into the internal workings of many of the ships. Of course, the information that debators really care about is pretty much summed up in a little box on the side of each page.
Posted: 2006-02-16 07:45pm
by Cos Dashit
ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.
The funny thing is they are listed in libraries under the reference section. When you check it out you get it for one day.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:00pm
by LongVin
They can probably construct a tie in a day or less considering its all modular. They just need the delivery of all the parts and slap the thing together.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:24pm
by PayBack
hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:32pm
by Ender
Cos Dashit wrote:ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.
The OT ICS and TPM ICS yes. The AOTC and ROTS ICS do include these figures though, particularily the AOTC ICS.
Construction times are more going to be limited by how fast they can get resources and parts to the dock then anything else.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:32pm
by Lord Revan
I dout that any of the capships the Empire, The Republic (both old and new) or the Rebels (pre NR) took more then a year to build including the manufacturing time for the components. assembling something like a TIE fighter or a Vulture (in Trade Federation factories) probably takes less then an hour (perhaps even only few minutes)
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:33pm
by Ender
PayBack wrote:hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.
If memory serves Starfighters of Adumar or one of the otehr X wing books does say something about the speed with which fighters are built. Can't remember the specifics though.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:36pm
by LongVin
PayBack wrote:hell i would have thought they'd be able to assemble a TIE in less than an hour.
Well you have to wait for the modular parts to be built. Shipped there unless they are built on site, but then you have to wait for resources. So if everything is ready to go it probably would take a few minutes to slap the thing together.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:37pm
by Cos Dashit
Ender wrote:Cos Dashit wrote:ICS is a book with many of the ships that appeared in the original Trilogy. They have very elaborate drawings and give you some background about how ships such as the TIE, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, and the Death Star work. However, they don't give any specific data about energy output, weapon power, etc.
The OT ICS and TPM ICS yes. The AOTC and ROTS ICS do include these figures though, particularily the AOTC ICS.
Construction times are more going to be limited by how fast they can get resources and parts to the dock then anything else.
Ah yes, I have only read the OT ICS.
Posted: 2006-02-16 08:56pm
by Fleet Admiral JD
I own all of the ICS books as well as incredible locations. They're fun to read and look at, and interesting if you're into the tech. I'd reccomend them to a debator
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As to the first, I have to agree with the consensus here.
Posted: 2006-02-16 09:10pm
by Cos Dashit
That's cool, I have only rented OT ICS from the library. But I do own the Star Wars Visual Dictionary, I love it, I've read it about 20 times.
Posted: 2006-02-16 10:07pm
by FOG3
Of course one thing to remember with construction time is if your doing things assembly line style it can take multiple hours to build each individual finished product, but you can have a new one coming off the line every few seconds.
Posted: 2006-02-16 10:21pm
by Count Dooku
In all honesty, the ONLY thing I think would take more than a few days to build would be a hyperdrive. Other than that, considering how advanced Star Wars technology is, I doubt it would take more than a few weeks to construct a cap-ship.
Posted: 2006-02-16 11:03pm
by NRS Guardian
If we go by RL, it probably only takes them 6 months to go from durasteel plates to finished ISD. Considering that's how long it takes for the U.S. to build an Arleigh Burke, and a Burke is only about 150 meters long.
Posted: 2006-02-16 11:08pm
by Ghost Rider
Actually when you think of the time it took the Empire to construct the second DS...you really get an idea that their production time is immense for even things on the scale of the Executor
Posted: 2006-02-16 11:45pm
by PayBack
Not only that, but look at how they build entire city blocks... some hulking great droid (IIRC) rolling along turning old buildings into new buildings. It's not like they need the parts available, they just fabricate them as they go... possibly even like the repair yard on Enterprise, where the pieces are replicated straight into the arms of the construction robots. They don't even need to reach for a part.. it's just there as they put it in place.
Posted: 2006-02-17 03:40am
by FTeik
I think that it was the RASB that said, that the shipyards at MonCalamari need one month to build a frigate (MC40?) and three to complete a cruiser (MC80? Something on the scale of HomeOne)? Remember, this is the resource-poor Rebel-Alliance in a system under siege.
Executor took perhaps half a year, IIR-Classic-SW-C.
Posted: 2006-02-17 07:20pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Executor took less than half a year. The Marvel SW comics give it only maybe two months from being laid down to completion. A shitload of stuff happens for awhile before Vader even orders them to begin laying it down.
Publius created a great timeline for the Marvel run after ANH a couple years ago. The whole Marvel run occupies six months, and the Executor is not begun until well into the series.