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Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-26 05:22pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Another noodle-scratcher for those who saw my "Yoda" thread. Consider this, Dooku is escaping in his ship, but before he leaves a Republic Gunship drops off a half a dozen clone troopers and Padme. Padme and Co. futiley attempt to damage Dookus ship, all the while the Gunship IS SITTING RIGHT THERE!
I'm certain the weapons aboard the gunship would have easily destroyed/damaged Dookus craft. So what gives? Are they "out of rockets (ordinance)?" Is Dookus ship too fast? If so, why doesn't the LAAT pursue it?
Posted: 2002-12-26 05:30pm
by Tsyroc
Also, doesn't the LAAT have coms with other ships, ships in orbit? Don't tell me the Acclaimators don't have tractor beams. There should have been all kinds of ways that Dooku does not get to Courasant.
Right here is where they could have spliced in some shots of a huge space battle. Dooku gets away in the confusion of a massive space battle.
Posted: 2002-12-26 05:50pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
God, it seems I have a lot of qualms with AOTC.
Posted: 2002-12-26 05:58pm
by Sea Skimmer
All Acclaimators would have landed or at least gone well into the atmosphere to unload troops. Dooku's ship accelerated at what was it, 20,000G's? The LAAT goes 400mph. The LAAT would have still been turning to purse by the time Dooku was in orbit.
Posted: 2002-12-26 06:00pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Sea Skimmer wrote:The LAAT would have still been turning to purse by the time Dooku was in orbit.
The LAAT need not turn. It has guns pointing in EVERY direction. But point conceded, no pursuit.
Posted: 2002-12-26 06:03pm
by Sir Sirius
Dooku's ship accelerated at what was it, 20,000G's?
???
Where does this figure come from?
Posted: 2002-12-26 06:57pm
by Rightous Fist Of Heaven
Sir Sirius wrote:Dooku's ship accelerated at what was it, 20,000G's?
???
Where does this figure come from?
Propably out of thin air considering that AOTC:ICS says 30 g.Dunno...
Posted: 2002-12-26 09:00pm
by Illuminatus Primus
It comes from laughable wanking from timing of scenes in Ep. II in light of official evidence to the contrary.
That ship was the SW version of a personal yacht or sailboat. It's not an uber-ship, the SW equivalent of a helicopter gunship should've been able to shoot it down.
Posted: 2002-12-26 09:39pm
by CmdrWilkens
Illuminatus Primus wrote:It comes from laughable wanking from timing of scenes in Ep. II in light of official evidence to the contrary.
That ship was the SW version of a personal yacht or sailboat. It's not an uber-ship, the SW equivalent of a helicopter gunship should've been able to shoot it down.
Well there was a rather large volume of fire going off around Dooku's ship for several seconds after it had passed padem and Co. Given that the trooper handweapons are not likely 1 km plus in range I'd have to guess the LAAT/i DID fire at him but wasn't able to score a good hit.
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-26 09:48pm
by Durandal
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Another noodle-scratcher for those who saw my "Yoda" thread. Consider this, Dooku is escaping in his ship, but before he leaves a Republic Gunship drops off a half a dozen clone troopers and Padme. Padme and Co. futiley attempt to damage Dookus ship, all the while the Gunship IS SITTING RIGHT THERE!
I'm certain the weapons aboard the gunship would have easily destroyed/damaged Dookus craft. So what gives? Are they "out of rockets (ordinance)?" Is Dookus ship too fast? If so, why doesn't the LAAT pursue it?
Um ... Dooku's ship accelerated at somewhere between 5,000 to 20,000g's. He was in orbit in 10 to 20 seconds. He'd have been pretty hard to hit. Also, LAAT stands for
Low Altitude[/i] Assault Transport. It was probably out of ordinance, and there's no way it could have caught up with Dooku's ship.
Posted: 2002-12-26 10:11pm
by Darth Wong
Compare the acceleration and top speed of an F-16 and a ground-attack aircraft such as the A-10 in real life. Dooku's ship may not have been a super-ship by SW standards, but a typical starship by SW standards can probably outrun its missiles. It was designed for supporting ground troops, not racing starships.
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-26 10:26pm
by Kuja
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I'm certain the weapons aboard the gunship would have easily destroyed/damaged Dookus craft. So what gives? Are they "out of rockets (ordinance)?" Is Dookus ship too fast? If so, why doesn't the LAAT pursue it?
It's possible the gunners had gotten out to aid the other troops. By the time they rushed back to the pods, Dooku would be gone.
It's also possible they weren't paying attention. Being so far from the main battle, a gunner would probably relax, and consequently not have enought time to react.
Also possible that a gunner or two might've been killed from damage sustained by the anti-air fire.
And Dooku made orbit near the TradeFed ships. Unless the Rep force was willing to engage in a full scale navel battle, they would go after one transport.
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-26 10:27pm
by Kuja
IG-88E wrote:
And Dooku made orbit near the TradeFed ships. Unless the Rep force was willing to engage in a full scale navel battle, they would go after one transport.
Fuck, I meant 'wouldn't.'
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-27 11:50am
by The Nomad
Durandal wrote:Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Another noodle-scratcher for those who saw my "Yoda" thread. Consider this, Dooku is escaping in his ship, but before he leaves a Republic Gunship drops off a half a dozen clone troopers and Padme. Padme and Co. futiley attempt to damage Dookus ship, all the while the Gunship IS SITTING RIGHT THERE!
I'm certain the weapons aboard the gunship would have easily destroyed/damaged Dookus craft. So what gives? Are they "out of rockets (ordinance)?" Is Dookus ship too fast? If so, why doesn't the LAAT pursue it?
Um ... Dooku's ship accelerated at somewhere between 5,000 to 20,000g's. He was in orbit in 10 to 20 seconds. He'd have been pretty hard to hit. Also, LAAT stands for
Low Altitude[/i] Assault Transport. It was probably out of ordinance, and there's no way it could have caught up with Dooku's ship.
So suddenly ICS isn't canon anymore ? Too bad 
Posted: 2002-12-27 12:19pm
by Vympel
Where does the ICS support that the LAAT could catch Dooku's SPACE ship?
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-27 01:35pm
by Darth Yoshi
The Nomad wrote:So suddenly ICS isn't canon anymore ? Too bad
ICS is still valid, just not in this case, when the visual sequence overrides it.
Posted: 2002-12-27 02:13pm
by Cal Wright
Damnit Yoshi, where did you get that kick ass avatar?
Besides the point, It seems the LAAT personell were unloaded in entirety. Besides, that bastard ship was hauling ass. Remember the LAAT could only keep up with Dooku's Speeder Bike. Besides, how do we know the LAAT was bad ass enough to take out his personal ship. If you think a Sith Lord, one of which in the event of his demise would end the war, is going to be flying in anything less than the equivilant of an armored car, your wrong. I need to grab my ICS and see if it has a sheild rating in there.
Posted: 2002-12-27 03:00pm
by Illuminatus Primus
It wasn't really that powerful in terms of shielding and armor, he's not Maul, he's a former Jedi Master and a nobleman.
Can anyone check the Geonosian fighter's acceleration? It is optomized for space combat as well. It should have a similar acceleration ability to the estimation for the solar sailer.
Posted: 2002-12-27 03:13pm
by Knife
Another thing to note. the entrance to the hangar seems to be on a different side of the complex than the hangar door. I don't remember seeing a large hangar opening next to the small enterance that the main characters off loaded at. If the gunship was at the little door where we see Obi and Ani off load, then the gunships with the others were not in view of the hangar opening where Dooku left.
Now, Dooku's ship was not an uber ship but was designed to go into space while the gunships were planetary vessels and low altitude at that. The acceleration required to exit a gravity well would be superior to a vessel designed to fly at realitivily low altitudes. The rockets we see the gunships firing on Geonosia don't seem to be moving that fast in comparison with how fast Dooku's ship exits the atmosphere. The blasters are fast enough but are the gunners fast enough to target the ship as it flees the planet? Are the guns on a troop/assualt transport that the gunship is, enough to penetrate and/or destroy a space vessel?
Also, one should note that when Dooku's ship was shown in space it was moving past Trade Federation ships. Obviously Dooku was using the friendly ships as cover to avoid Republic ships and escape. I don't want to sound mean, but you are armchair quarterbacking and thinking that in a combat zone, everybody or atleast those in charge have complete battle field awareness. It dosen't happen that way and gaps in intellengence and communication can be used against a force for escape and evade manuvers and other purposes not germane to the disscussion.
The overall objectives of the battle were met with the destruction of the opposing army. Did some get away? Yes, this was a pitched battle were the invaders moved in quickly and started an attack without setting up. Did the leader get away? Yes, he used the confusion of the battle field to escape. Targeting one man out of thousands is difficult at best and mostly impossible. The only was to ensure the destruction of all your foe's in that circumstance would be a BDZ operation that the Republic wouldn't probably use in this situation.
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-27 04:25pm
by CmdrWilkens
Durandal wrote:Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Another noodle-scratcher for those who saw my "Yoda" thread. Consider this, Dooku is escaping in his ship, but before he leaves a Republic Gunship drops off a half a dozen clone troopers and Padme. Padme and Co. futiley attempt to damage Dookus ship, all the while the Gunship IS SITTING RIGHT THERE!
I'm certain the weapons aboard the gunship would have easily destroyed/damaged Dookus craft. So what gives? Are they "out of rockets (ordinance)?" Is Dookus ship too fast? If so, why doesn't the LAAT pursue it?
Um ... Dooku's ship accelerated at somewhere between 5,000 to 20,000g's. He was in orbit in 10 to 20 seconds. He'd have been pretty hard to hit. Also, LAAT stands for
Low Altitude[/i] Assault Transport. It was probably out of ordinance, and there's no way it could have caught up with Dooku's ship.
Durandal we see Dooku clearly accelerating, in atmosphere, at a few dozen G. There is a cut between when we see Dooku lifting off and when we see him in space...in other words we never see his transition from lower atmosphere to space so timing is impossible except during the one continuous sequence where he is accelerating in atmosphere. Again that sequence, which is continuous, only has him at a few dozen G at best.
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-27 05:47pm
by Darth Wong
CmdrWilkens wrote:Durandal we see Dooku clearly accelerating, in atmosphere, at a few dozen G. There is a cut between when we see Dooku lifting off and when we see him in space...in other words we never see his transition from lower atmosphere to space so timing is impossible except during the one continuous sequence where he is accelerating in atmosphere. Again that sequence, which is continuous, only has him at a few dozen G at best.
Watch the image sequence. He reaches space and is beyond the planetary rings before Amidala runs inside the hangar to find Anakin on the floor. How long could she have realistically stood on the platform, staring at the departing ship?
Re: Dooku's escape, while the LAAT sits idlely....
Posted: 2002-12-27 09:12pm
by CmdrWilkens
Darth Wong wrote:CmdrWilkens wrote:Durandal we see Dooku clearly accelerating, in atmosphere, at a few dozen G. There is a cut between when we see Dooku lifting off and when we see him in space...in other words we never see his transition from lower atmosphere to space so timing is impossible except during the one continuous sequence where he is accelerating in atmosphere. Again that sequence, which is continuous, only has him at a few dozen G at best.
Watch the image sequence. He reaches space and is beyond the planetary rings before Amidala runs inside the hangar to find Anakin on the floor. How long could she have realistically stood on the platform, staring at the departing ship?
That assumes the entire sequence is being told linerarly. That kind of acceleration would be entirely disordant with that which he displayed in the only continuous scene we observe him.