Clone trooper formations at the end of AOTC

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-12-28 09:50pm

I counted 988 clone troopers per formation (not including the commander) at the end of the movie when we saw the acclamaitor's loading up. Can anyone confirm if this is the correct figure?
I didnt think to count the number of formations however. I'll try and do that later.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-28 10:58pm

o_O

a little too much time on your hands. . .

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-29 12:05am

Enforcer Talen wrote:o_O

a little too much time on your hands. . .

yes.

get a life please.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2002-12-29 12:13am

Actually, I was wondering about it myself, particularly in relation to the "200,000 units". I then realized there are too many variables to make the numbers relate to one another (how many have already taken off, what percentage of the remainder are we actually seeing, etc.).

Still, I am curious about the answer. I don't suppose there's a sfx article mentioning how many individuals the technicians created for that scene, is there?

-- Joe Momma

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-12-29 02:03am

Joe Momma wrote:Actually, I was wondering about it myself, particularly in relation to the "200,000 units". I then realized there are too many variables to make the numbers relate to one another (how many have already taken off, what percentage of the remainder are we actually seeing, etc.).

Still, I am curious about the answer. I don't suppose there's a sfx article mentioning how many individuals the technicians created for that scene, is there?

-- Joe Momma

Well we can coutn the number of Acclamators that have taken off and we have the troop capacity per vessel, to this add the ground formation and we have an absolute minimum AFTER casulaties at Geonosis.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-29 02:10am

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Joe Momma wrote:Actually, I was wondering about it myself, particularly in relation to the "200,000 units". I then realized there are too many variables to make the numbers relate to one another (how many have already taken off, what percentage of the remainder are we actually seeing, etc.).

Still, I am curious about the answer. I don't suppose there's a sfx article mentioning how many individuals the technicians created for that scene, is there?

-- Joe Momma
Well we can coutn the number of Acclamators that have taken off and we have the troop capacity per vessel, to this add the ground formation and we have an absolute minimum AFTER casulaties at Geonosis.

Not really, since transport and gunship production may have outstripped clone growth, the result being half or 1/3 loaded transports that can empty much faster.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2002-12-29 08:51am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:Well we can count the number of Acclamators that have taken off and we have the troop capacity per vessel, to this add the ground formation and we have an absolute minimum AFTER casulaties at Geonosis.
Not really, since transport and gunship production may have outstripped clone growth, the result being half or 1/3 loaded transports that can empty much faster.

We also don't know if some of the "one million more" that were on their way had been brought up to active duty by that point.

-- Joe Momma

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-12-29 12:29pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:
Joe Momma wrote:Actually, I was wondering about it myself, particularly in relation to the "200,000 units". I then realized there are too many variables to make the numbers relate to one another (how many have already taken off, what percentage of the remainder are we actually seeing, etc.).

Still, I am curious about the answer. I don't suppose there's a sfx article mentioning how many individuals the technicians created for that scene, is there?

-- Joe Momma
Well we can count the number of Acclamators that have taken off and we have the troop capacity per vessel, to this add the ground formation and we have an absolute minimum AFTER casulaties at Geonosis.
Not really, since transport and gunship production may have outstripped clone growth, the result being half or 1/3 loaded transports that can empty much faster.

However production of the Acclamator/s was a clandestine operation that did not begin significantly before the start of the clone wars. It would be illogical to assume that clandestine ship building would outstrip clandestine army building.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-12-30 10:15am

According to my copy of the SW2ICS, the Acclamator-class Troop Transport can carry up to 6000 passengers.

The formations might be regiments of a sort.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-30 02:08pm

I'm watching right now. I count only 625 troopers per block. Each block is 25 across and 25 deep. There also appears to be 7 columns each with 7 blocks of troopers, given a rough estimate of 30 thousand troops on the ground.

There are also 13 landed Acclamators and 4 or 5 Acclamaters that have taken off for a minimum of 17 Accs. If each can hold 6000 troops, thats atleast 100,000 troops for this transport group. The ships on the ground could hold 78,000 which is damn near the 30 thousand troops in formation. Given that they were already loading troops, its easy to assume that many of the acclamators on the ground are half full as it is.

Judging by the number of troops here, and at Geonosis (far less then 200,000 or whatever the Kaminoans said they already had comlpete) I think its safe to say that a single unit is more then one trooper. We can already observe over 100,000 troops taking off from a single air base on coruscant, which is NOT where the cloans are created.

Considering that transporting the 100,000 units from kamino to coruscant then out again just so a small group of diplomats could see them would be unnecessary and a waste of time, I think that what we are seeing at the end is not half the 200,000 units, but merely a small number of the total clones. I believe that one unit is 625 troops and if this is indeed true, the Republican Army stands at 125 million troops with another 625 million being prepared for release.

On the other hand, a unit could be the 6,000 on each ship, which make the army presently have 1.2 billion troops and 6 billion still coming. Either fo these figures, the 125 million or 1.2 million, seems far more sane and rational then 200 thousand when we're talking about full scale galactic warfare against an enemy that has a high rate of production and less cost.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2002-12-30 07:25pm

I've put up a post with the estimated numbers, should be a few pages back

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-30 07:33pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:According to my copy of the SW2ICS, the Acclamator-class Troop Transport can carry up to 6000 passengers.

The formations might be regiments of a sort.

You might want to reread your copy. it says 16000. Modern infantry regiments generally have several thousand personal or more.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-30 07:35pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:However production of the Acclamator/s was a clandestine operation that did not begin significantly before the start of the clone wars. It would be illogical to assume that clandestine ship building would outstrip clandestine army building.

The DS2 was built in secret. The ability to build monstrous structures in secret is not unreasonable.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-12-30 08:40pm

According to the Episode II ICS, one Acclamator carries 16,000 clonetroopers and support personnel.