*possible spoiler* Highest state of war

[God Emperor]

In the book Destiny's Way the Bothans declared Ar'krai. Basicly they declared genocide against the Yuuzhan Vong and are going to kill them to the last individual. It also said that they had only done this twice before, so my question are:

How they complety wipe out two species along with their worlds and way of life?

It said they destroyed them in distant past, what kind of power would they need to do this?

Just wondering.

[Vympel]

Not much. Genocide isn't beyond our capabilities. All you need is gas chambers.

[God Emperor]

I know what you mean, but in the book Kre'fey said, "We will not cease our ar'krai until out enemies our destroyed to the last individual, their names written out of history, and their planets reduced to dust floatin on the stellar winds" that should reqire some power especially to turn the planets into dust.

[Master of Ossus]

Sort of like a BDZ, except even larger in scale. It will likely take large fleets of Bothan ships to perform such an operation, though it should be noted that this is an incredible power, even in the SW universe, as the YV holdings are so large.

[God Emperor]

Just wondering, what kind of ships/fire power would a bothan fleet have?
In the books I've read they never talk about the bothans having such a large fleet, and when they are mentioned they never decribe. What are their capabilities?

[Master of Ossus]

The Bothans have a class of ship derived from ISD's. It is more powerful by a considerable margin, carries more starfighters, and enjoys greater protection. The rest of their ship classes are primarily ones that have been taken from other militaries, such as the Imperial one. Thus, their picket ships and light capital ships are similar in capacity to the ones that the Empire used. The Bothan fleet is quite large, but likely not large enough to single-handedly pose a risk to the YV. The main threat of the war is that the Bothans will continue attacking YV worlds long after the YV have been destroyed as a Galactic menace, and that they will continue attacking largely undefended worlds--even ones with both YV and other species repopulating--on them, much like the Vorlons and Shadows did in B5.

Note that in Vision of the Future, the Bothan fleet was considered too small to adequately defend Bothawui from a concerted attack from a number of other groups. This is incompatible with an Imperial-scale fleet, but reasonable if we consider the Bothan fleet to be similar to a sector fleet. Remember that Bothawui is an enormously powerful and important world in both the Empire and the NR. It is clear that its fleet probably consists of between 20 and 200 ships of similar scale to ISD's, with support ships, starfighters, and light capital ships to boot. In addition, many Bothan clans have smaller forces that can be called on for a war such as the one going on, although it is clear that these are generally considered inconsequential for major fleet actions.

[God Emperor]

Thanks Master of Ossus, that was very informative, thank you.

[Jason von Evil]

Ever consider that the Bothans might be blowing smoke out their asses?

[His Divine Shadow]

Planetary destruction... With let's say a fleet of 20 ISD's with 1TT HTL's, thats 30*20= 600TT.

Now to crater an earth like planet(Cratering energy is the energy required to blast out a crater of depth equal to the radius of the asteroid, which should easily result in its catastrophic disruption), according to MW's calculator you'd require 300000 Teratons, so with a fire rate of one broadside per 30 seconds, it'd take 4 hours.

[His Divine Shadow]

Ever consider that the Bothans might be blowing smoke out their asses?

Not really, planetary destruction is not limited to the Deathstar, ofcourse only the DS will destroy a planet so violently and punch through it's shields in one shot.

[His Divine Shadow]

The Bothans have a class of ship derived from ISD's. It is more powerful by a considerable margin, carries more starfighters, and enjoys greater protection.

I don't believe that, no ship compares to the ISD2, blasphemy.

I assume this is the ship you refer too:

Craft: Bothan assault Cruiser
Size: Gargantuan (850 m long)
Crew: 1,240 Passengers: 250 (troops and pilots)
Shield Points: 450 Hull Points: 690 DR: 25

Weapon: Turbolasers (20)
Fire Arc: 8 Front, 4 left, 4 right, 4 rear
Damage: 7d10*5

Weapon: Heavy double turbolaser cannons (24)
Fire Arc: 1 battery front, 2 batteries right, 2 batteries left, 1 battery rear
Damage: 4d10*5

Weapon: Proton torpedo launchers (20 launchers, 16 torpedoes each)




Imperial II Star Destroyer
Craft: Kuat Drive Yards Imperial II Star Destroyer
Size: Colossal (1,600 m long)
Crew: 36,000 Passengers: 9,700 (troops)
Shield Points: 250 Hull Points: 730 DR: 30

Weapon: Heavy turbolasers (50)
Fire Arc: 4 batteries front, 3 R, 3 L
Damage: 10d10*5

Weapon: Turboalsers (50)
Fire Arc: 4 batteries front, 2 R, 2 L, 2 rear
Damage: 7d10*5


The ISD2 has more and heavier weapons

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

It had, what? 20% more firepower. And was it 50% or 100% better defenses (shield and armor.)

[His Divine Shadow]

It had, what? 20% more firepower. And was it 50% or 100% better defenses (shield and armor.)

What had? Where? Sources and quotes or this heresy.

[His Divine Shadow]

Hello! I like argh, found the 20% quotes and it refers to an VICTORY class Star Destroyer, not an Imperator.

[His Divine Shadow]

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"The Bothan Assault Cruiser was one of the latest additions to the New Republic fleet. While slightly smaller than a Victory-class Star Destroyer, and possessed of leaner and less angular lines, the Ralroost boasted 20 percent more firepower than a Vic and almost half again as much in terms of shielding and armour. the ship had been designed to take a severe pounding and still hammer an enemy"
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-Dark Tide I

And as you can see, it's both the 20% and 50% figures there, relative to a victory.

The glorious sanctity of our holiest of holy Star Destroyers, the Imperator is preserved.

Still, heresy such as yours cannot be permitted... I'll leave your damned souls to the inquisition.

[Cpt_Frank]

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"The Bothan Assault Cruiser was one of the latest additions to the New Republic fleet. While slightly smaller than a Victory-class Star Destroyer, and possessed of leaner and less angular lines, the Ralroost boasted 20 percent more firepower than a Vic and almost half again as much in terms of shielding and armour. the ship had been designed to take a severe pounding and still hammer an enemy"
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-Dark Tide I

And as you can see, it's both the 20% and 50% figures there, relative to a victory.

The glorious sanctity of our holiest of holy Star Destroyers, the Imperator is preserved.

Still, heresy such as yours cannot be permitted... I'll leave your damned souls to the inquisition.

Good to see I'm not the only ImpStar fanatic

(although the Republic-class is said to be much stronger )

[His Divine Shadow]

(although the Republic-class is said to be much stronger )

I believe I debunked that last time too

It's only stronger in RPG stats, and we know how reliable those are.
Ofcourse by fixing the ISD2 stats which do not mention the 8 HTL turrets we get 50 HTL cannons + 8 HTL turrets with 64 cannons on them, thats over a hundred heavy turbolasers

[Master of Ossus]

Hello! I like argh, found the 20% quotes and it refers to an VICTORY class Star Destroyer, not an Imperator.

Ah, my mistake. Sorry.