Was the term 'Sith' coined in teh EU?

PSW: discuss Star Wars without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

Post Reply
User avatar
Darth Garden Gnome
Official SD.Net Lawn Ornament
Posts: 6029
Joined: 2002-07-08 02:35am
Location: Some where near a mailbox

Was the term 'Sith' coined in teh EU?

Post by Darth Garden Gnome »

I don't seem to recall the word ever being used in the OT. I could be wrong though.

Anyways, if that is the case, then you can't really complain about GL never using EU stuff in his movies, because I do know that the term Sith is used in TPM and AOTC.
Leader of the Secret Gnome Revolution
User avatar
Ender
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11323
Joined: 2002-07-30 11:12pm
Location: Illinois

Post by Ender »

It was in the ANH novel.
بيرني كان سيفوز
*
Nuclear Navy Warwolf
*
in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro
*
ipsa scientia potestas est
User avatar
Spanky The Dolphin
Mammy Two-Shoes
Posts: 30776
Joined: 2002-07-05 05:45pm
Location: Reykjavík, Iceland (not really)

Post by Spanky The Dolphin »

I think "Sith" has existed since the original drafts for Star Wars, between 1975-1977.
Image
I believe in a sign of Zeta.

[BOTM|WG|JL|Mecha Maniacs|Pax Cybertronia|Veteran of the Psychic Wars|Eva Expert]

"And besides, who cares if a monster destroys Australia?"
God Emperor
Jedi Knight
Posts: 637
Joined: 2002-11-18 08:10pm
Location: somewhere I don't want to be

Post by God Emperor »

It was, originaly they were going to be a Knight Hood, them finaly they settled on just one person.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Was the term 'Sith' coined in teh EU?

Post by Galvatron »

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I don't seem to recall the word ever being used in the OT. I could be wrong though.

Anyways, if that is the case, then you can't really complain about GL never using EU stuff in his movies, because I do know that the term Sith is used in TPM and AOTC.
The OT never used the term, but the EU books did.
User avatar
Cal Wright
American Warlord
Posts: 3995
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:24am
Location: Super-Class Star Destroyer 'Blight'
Contact:

Post by Cal Wright »

It was never in the movies, however it was all over the place in the three novelisations.

Were you born with out a sense of humor or did you lose it in a tragic whoppy cushion accident? -Stormbringer

"We are well and truly forked." -Mace Windu Shatterpoint

"Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books." -Lord Pounder

The Dark Guard Fleet

Post 1500 acheived on Thu Jan 23, 2003 at 2:48 am
User avatar
Darth Garden Gnome
Official SD.Net Lawn Ornament
Posts: 6029
Joined: 2002-07-08 02:35am
Location: Some where near a mailbox

Post by Darth Garden Gnome »

Most interesting, why GL would put them in novels and not books. Anybody have an idea why he might do that?
Leader of the Secret Gnome Revolution
User avatar
Peregrin Toker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 8609
Joined: 2002-07-04 10:57am
Location: Denmark
Contact:

Post by Peregrin Toker »

The word "Sith" WAS in the original draft, where the Jedi Bendu battled the Black Knights of the Sith Order.

In a later draft, the Black Knights of Sith were the Legions of Lettow, but they finally personified the Sith as a single character, Darth Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith.

(I hate saying it, but I prefer the term "Black Knight of the Sith" over "Dark Lord of the Sith")
"Hi there, would you like to have a cookie?"

"No, actually I would HATE to have a cookie, you vapid waste of inedible flesh!"
User avatar
Cpt_Frank
Official SD.Net Evil Warsie Asshole
Posts: 3652
Joined: 2002-07-03 03:05am
Location: the black void
Contact:

Post by Cpt_Frank »

Sith was in the early drafts and the novels indeed, although the background of the word originates from the EU.
Image
Supermod
Crazy_Vasey
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1571
Joined: 2002-07-13 12:56pm

Post by Crazy_Vasey »

Vader was always referred to as the Dark Lord of the Sith in scripts and stuff but it just never came up in the films AFAIK.
User avatar
Tsyroc
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13748
Joined: 2002-07-29 08:35am
Location: Tucson, Arizona

Post by Tsyroc »

I had a Darth Vader T-shirt from the same year SW came out and it referred to him as Dark Lord of the Sith. Which sounded cool but was a bit confusing to me since most of that was never explained in the movie or the comic book adaptation.
By the pricking of my thumb,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
User avatar
Cal Wright
American Warlord
Posts: 3995
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:24am
Location: Super-Class Star Destroyer 'Blight'
Contact:

Post by Cal Wright »

I don't recall any dialogue from novelisations where someone says he's the Dark Lord of the Sith or any Sith mentionings. It's in the description the author gives him. Something along the lines of, 'fear gripped the crew as the Dark Lord of the Sith descended the ramp' or some shit like that.

Were you born with out a sense of humor or did you lose it in a tragic whoppy cushion accident? -Stormbringer

"We are well and truly forked." -Mace Windu Shatterpoint

"Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books." -Lord Pounder

The Dark Guard Fleet

Post 1500 acheived on Thu Jan 23, 2003 at 2:48 am
User avatar
Master of Ossus
Darkest Knight
Posts: 18213
Joined: 2002-07-11 01:35am
Location: California

Post by Master of Ossus »

"Sith" is something that has been used since early drafts of SW, and is in the canonical scripts, where it is used to describe Darth Vader.
"Sometimes I think you WANT us to fail." "Shut up, just shut up!" -Two Guys from Kabul

Latinum Star Recipient; Hacker's Cross Award Winner

"one soler flar can vapririze the planit or malt the nickl in lass than millasacit" -Bagara1000

"Happiness is just a Flaming Moe away."
User avatar
ViciousMink
Youngling
Posts: 82
Joined: 2002-09-17 01:06am
Location: Winter Park, FL

Post by ViciousMink »

Obligatory StarWarZ site reference:

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/

The Jedi Bendu Script Site. Interesting stuff there.

It was really only in the EU that the Sith were defined to be an opposint Force tradition to the Jedi. I don't think it's even been discussed in the official books or the movies if the Sith were a breakaway tradition from the Jedi or not. YMMV.
The Jedi asked, "What is balance for me as a servant of the Light?" The Master replied,"Balance is not what you seek. For you it is accepting that destruction is a part of the universe."
-- from Koans of the Silver Master
Founder, the Cult of Wilhelm. "Praise be to Wilhelm. AAAAIIIIUH!"
User avatar
Anarchist Bunny
Foul, Cruel, and Bad-Tempered Rodent
Posts: 5458
Joined: 2002-07-12 02:08am
Contact:

Post by Anarchist Bunny »

Tsyroc wrote:I had a Darth Vader T-shirt from the same year SW came out and it referred to him as Dark Lord of the Sith. Which sounded cool but was a bit confusing to me since most of that was never explained in the movie or the comic book adaptation.
At the price old SW shit goes for these days, don't you wish you still had that?

My mom once found this old Melenium Falcon, I'd say from 1984-87. I didn't want it that bad. Probly could of made some money off that.
//This Line Blank as of 7/15/07\\
Ornithology Subdirector: SD.net Dept. of Biological Sciences
Wiilite
Image
User avatar
beyond hope
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1608
Joined: 2002-08-19 07:08pm

Post by beyond hope »

ViciousMink wrote:Obligatory StarWarZ site reference:

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/

The Jedi Bendu Script Site. Interesting stuff there.

It was really only in the EU that the Sith were defined to be an opposint Force tradition to the Jedi. I don't think it's even been discussed in the official books or the movies if the Sith were a breakaway tradition from the Jedi or not. YMMV.
They're breakaways from the Jedi. It's in The Phantom Menace novelization.
User avatar
Peregrin Toker
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 8609
Joined: 2002-07-04 10:57am
Location: Denmark
Contact:

Post by Peregrin Toker »

beyond hope wrote: They're breakaways from the Jedi. It's in The Phantom Menace novelization.
Yup. And they only adopted the name Sith after they fled to the hitherto-unknown planet Korriban and encountered the native people, the Massassi Sith, who used the Force although they never knew of the Jedi.
"Hi there, would you like to have a cookie?"

"No, actually I would HATE to have a cookie, you vapid waste of inedible flesh!"
User avatar
Lord Pounder
Pretty Hate Machine
Posts: 9695
Joined: 2002-11-19 04:40pm
Location: Belfast, unfortunately
Contact:

Post by Lord Pounder »

anarchistbunny wrote:
Tsyroc wrote:I had a Darth Vader T-shirt from the same year SW came out and it referred to him as Dark Lord of the Sith. Which sounded cool but was a bit confusing to me since most of that was never explained in the movie or the comic book adaptation.
At the price old SW shit goes for these days, don't you wish you still had that?

My mom once found this old Melenium Falcon, I'd say from 1984-87. I didn't want it that bad. Probly could of made some money off that.
I still have most of my old Star Wars toys. I have a complete "exploding" speeder bike, an ATAT ( that has a broken leg coz i used it as horse when i was younger, and near all the Star Fighters i could get, X-Wings and B-Wings etc.
RIP Yosemite Bear
Gone, Never Forgotten
Post Reply