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Personal Shields in Lightsaber Combat?
Posted: 2003-01-02 07:28am
by Jim Raynor
I got this idea from reading the thread about how lightsabers will do against a droideka's shields. Couldn't personal shields be used in a lightsaber fight like shields and swords have been used in real life? I personally like lightsaber combat the way it is, but does anyone else think this is a cool idea?
Posted: 2003-01-02 10:39am
by Ender
Laws of physics says that personel shields against kinetic attacks are a bad idea. Maybe if it were something like the gungan personel shields.
Posted: 2003-01-02 10:50am
by Crown
HA! Then they would really be Jedi
Knights!
Posted: 2003-01-02 11:09am
by Stravo
How about the personal shields from Dune? The slow lightsaber peentrates the shield....
Posted: 2003-01-02 11:32am
by Patrick Ogaard
The Droideka shields, if I'm remembering the relevant visual dictionary, generate sufficiently high levels of radiation that an organic being using one would quickly suffer nasty radiation poisoning.
A possible solution to that particular problem would be having the shielded person wear radiation-resistant armor, like that of a radtrooper, with the shielding gear mounted on the outside of the armor. In that case, the shielding system should be anchored to the largest pieces of the armor so that momentum transfers will result in pushes against the largest possible area. So equipped, a Jedi knight might well be able to wade into battle, smiting the godless with his mighty sabre of hallowed luminescence. The question there is, of course, why did none of the Jedi at Geonosis wear that kind of battle gear?
It would be interesting, though, if such shielded armor were developed during the Clone Wars, for use by Jedi assault troops. They would certainly be prime targets for heavy antipersonnel weapons.
Incidentally, I think that TPM actually may provide some canon visual evidence for how nasty momentum transfer can be, and also why the normal battlefield droideka do not use shields. The scene is the one in which Anakin uses his starfighter's guns to silence a number of droideka that were busily shooting Amidala and entourage to pieces. Each time Anakin fires, the attacked droid's shield snaps off without flashy visuals, and the droid itself reacts as if hit by a piledriver.
Posted: 2003-01-02 02:38pm
by NecronLord
Ender wrote:Laws of physics says that personel shields against kinetic attacks are a bad idea. Maybe if it were something like the gungan personel shields.
Yes however the jedi cannot put that massive an amount of KE into it. The best thing would however be a floating droid projector that counters the KE.
Posted: 2003-01-02 02:46pm
by His Divine Shadow
In Black Fleet Crisis an imperial agent had a personal shield, also:
Posted: 2003-01-02 02:50pm
by Darth Yoshi
Black Fleet Crisis? Aside from the slave crewers aboard the Yevethan ships, were the Imps even in the Black Fleet Crisis? Or am I thinking of something else?
Posted: 2003-01-02 02:55pm
by Lord Pounder
In The Courtship Of Princess Leia Isolder used a personal shield when he was under attatck from an assassin droid, apparently the problem with them is that a shield that small is unstable underfire and Isolder had to disgard it lest it blow up in his face.
Posted: 2003-01-02 08:50pm
by Tsyroc
What about using one of those Gungan personal sheilds on one arm and the light saber in the other hand?
Posted: 2003-01-02 08:54pm
by Captain Jack Frank
I always though tthe problem with personal shields was the energy cells were too big.
Posted: 2003-01-02 10:19pm
by Exonerate
Tsyroc wrote:What about using one of those Gungan personal sheilds on one arm and the light saber in the other hand?
Lightsabers moves slowly, so not much of a help.
Posted: 2003-01-02 10:27pm
by God Emperor
In one book Luke battle against a force shield wareing opponet, he killed him. After the death he said to someone, I can't place the name, that they were hard to cut through but once you got through they were hard to stop.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:50am
by Darth Fanboy
Vader went up against an assassin using a surgically implanted force field in SW: Tales. Stauz arrived on Executor just after Hoth and the other Bounty Hunters left. After a short but fierce duel Vader was able to use his Telekenesis to switch the field off.
I would think that if I jedi knew how to operate a force shield he/she would also know how to turn it off using the force, and using the force to severe some power connections couldn't be good for it. A shield like a Knight would carry though makes little sense since it eliminates speed and agility and a Jedi could call down the force in the form of a gust of wind (Streen does it in the EU) or some sort of invisible battering ram (Qui Gonn knocked over several battle droids in TPM) and use that distraction against the enemy.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:56am
by Darth Yoshi
God Emperor wrote:In one book Luke battle against a force shield wareing opponet, he killed him. After the death he said to someone, I can't place the name, that they were hard to cut through but once you got through they were hard to stop.
That would be either book 2 or 3 of the Black Fleet Crisis. Although the guy was actually an elaborate illusion created by Luke's companion, Akanah.
Posted: 2003-01-03 01:18am
by Lord Poe
Before The Storm
pg.233: The first man he had disarmed projected a personal shield, which blunted Luke's initial stroke. But the blow took the man to his knees all the same. The next stroke, with the power of the lightsaber married to the will of a Jedi Master, sliced through the shield and deep into the assailant's chest.
http://h4h.com/louis/pdd.html
Posted: 2003-01-03 02:46am
by Keevan_Colton
As I recall of the top of my head the gungan shields have a 'rim' around the edge that the shield seems to be projected from....this would render such a design fairly useless against melee combat if this part is not fully shielded.
As for using shields in combat with lightsabers, it is a relatively good idea....sword and shield combat is very different from single sword or dual sword combat. One of the key differences would be mitigated by a somewhat transparent energy based shield...often if using a shield to defend it reduces your visibility of your opponent and limits your ability to shift from defense to offense. While it could be useful, to my mind paired sabers would be better (so long as it isnt that awful sabre 'saber that Christopher Lee had....i was quite offended by his use of mostly west point style...arguably the most useless style of sword combat ever concieved.) and allow more flexebility, you can block and attack at once...trap your opponents blade and manouver him more easily.
Keevan.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:38pm
by Publius
Darth Fanboy, that story from Star Wars Tales is considered to be Infinities. Whereas it might reflect in some manner an incident which really happened, it cannot be taken at face value.
Secondly, the story explicitly shows Lord Vader aboard the Avenger, not the Executor.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:46pm
by Ghost Rider
Actually it needs the Infinite Label for it to be considered the same...which is what Dark Horse did to prevent what is and isn't in the SW universe.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:53pm
by Publius
No. All Tales stories are considered Infinities, unless specificaly denoted otherwise.
Posted: 2003-01-03 12:54pm
by Ghost Rider
Uh unless DARK HORSE changed their stance...they said the REASON they created the infinites label was so that they could differentiate.
Posted: 2003-01-03 02:27pm
by Publius
In order to allow unlimited freedom of storytelling, the Infinities label has been placed on the anthology series, Star Wars Tales. This means that not only can the stories occur anywhere in the Star Wars timeline, but stories can happen outside continuity. Basically, if an event appears in Tales, it may not have necessarily happened in the rest of the expanded universe. For some stories, the distinction is largely inconsequential. For others, it’s the only way they could exist (for example, there’s a Darth Vader vs. Darth Maul comic coming soon).
-- Mr Chris Cerasi, of LucasBooks,
on the subject of continuity
Tales stories are Infinities by default. Mr Cerasi is not the only person to have said this; Mr Ben Harper, of Lucasfilm Ltd., was quoted in
Star Wars Gamer #3 as saying, "The non-continuity books (at this point, the Dark Horse
Star Wars Tales and
Infinities: A New Hope comics) will soon be marked with a non-continuity symbol."
Publius
Posted: 2003-01-03 02:29pm
by Ghost Rider
So they did change it...okay.
Posted: 2003-01-03 04:10pm
by His Divine Shadow
Exonerate wrote:Tsyroc wrote:What about using one of those Gungan personal sheilds on one arm and the light saber in the other hand?
Lightsabers moves slowly, so not much of a help.
This isn't dune
Posted: 2003-01-03 05:59pm
by Darth Yoshi
His Divine Shadow wrote:Exonerate wrote:Tsyroc wrote:What about using one of those Gungan personal sheilds on one arm and the light saber in the other hand?
Lightsabers moves slowly, so not much of a help.
This isn't dune
I think he's talking about the difficulty of wielding a lightsabre effectively with one hand.