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I have a few nitpicks on one or two of his points, but it's an interesting read and I definitely agree with his overall position...

http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/viewpoint.htm

So many emotions I have after reading this:

I actually kinda agree with him, in the sense that the original trilogies did indeed capture my imagination, where as the prequels have seemed to dissapoint me. On the other hand, my little nepews absolutely love the prequels!

My general stance on the topic is:



Let the man write his own damn shit.

All I hear anymore is whine, whine, bitch, moan, bitch, whine whine whine. Stop gettin' your panties in a bunch and just watch the goddamn movies. Sheesh. [/rant]

My main complaints with the prequels are:

1. TPM lacked the right Star Wars feel. When I saw the first trailers, the aestethics of almost everything didn't strike me as properly Star Wars-ish. Luckily, AoTC has more of the "right" SW feel.
2. AoTC was perhaps a bit too incoherent, with its switching back and forth between different planets. And Kamino should have been called Raela.
3. Problems with EU continuity.
4. They take a bit of the mystery from the original trilogy. But this, of course, can't be prevented.

Simon H.Johansen wrote:My main complaints with the prequels are:

1. TPM lacked the right Star Wars feel. When I saw the first trailers, the aestethics of almost everything didn't strike me as properly Star Wars-ish. Luckily, AoTC has more of the "right" SW feel.
2. AoTC was perhaps a bit too incoherent, with its switching back and forth between different planets. And Kamino should have been called Raela.
3. Problems with EU continuity.
4. They take a bit of the mystery from the original trilogy. But this, of course, can't be prevented.

Why the hell should Lucas care about the EU? It's the EU authors that should care about not stepping into Lucas toes, not the other way around.


The problem with the Prequels, is that we've seen something like that before. A lot of sci-fi has been done since the OT, mainly due to the FX specialists at LucasFilm/LucasArts/ILM.
When it first came out, the OT broke new ground, we were seeing a story develop in a way that hadn't been done in the sci-fi movies, and told in a way that kept the magic of times past.
Enter the Prequel, a lot of speculation arouse, which simply heightened our expectations, but we must not forget it's a prequel, a different story so to speak, and done after we lost our virginity in relation to sci-fi movies.

By the way, is it just me, or when Lucas directs, the movies aren't as good as the other ones? Example, ANH and TMP, ESB, ROTJ and AOTC.

Umm Lucas directed all but one of those films you named and he was very heavily involved in ROTJ as well, in fact I read somewhere that he directed many of the Vader/Luke scenes himself but it's one of those I read it but can't remember where things so i can't back it up.

He isn't listed as the director for ESB or ROTJ, IIRC. But the rest he was credited as "director."

Warspite wrote:Why the hell should Lucas care about the EU? It's the EU authors that should care about not stepping into Lucas toes, not the other way around.

Ofcourse Lucas by not being specific or giving any sort of guidelines to the authors is what created the problem in the first place.

JediNeophyte wrote:My general stance on the topic is:



Let the man write his own damn shit.

All I hear anymore is whine, whine, bitch, moan, bitch, whine whine whine. Stop gettin' your panties in a bunch and just watch the goddamn movies. Sheesh. [/rant]

But what if we think they suck?

Galvatron wrote:But what if we think they suck?

Then ya can stick it where the sun don't shine! GL is raking in the green he doesn't care what you think of it!

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

Galvatron wrote:But what if we think they suck?

Then ya can stick it where the sun don't shine! GL is raking in the green he doesn't care what you think of it!

So is Bill Gates.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

Galvatron wrote:But what if we think they suck?

Then ya can stick it where the sun don't shine! GL is raking in the green he doesn't care what you think of it!

You make it sound as if people aren't allowed to say it sucks. You say "why should GL give a shit abt us?" but maybe the question should be "why should we give a shit abt GL?" The new shit sucks, and no-one who thinks so should temper their opinions based on how much GL makes off of it.

I like it.

Malecoda wrote:You make it sound as if people aren't allowed to say it sucks. You say "why should GL give a shit abt us?" but maybe the question should be "why should we give a shit abt GL?" The new shit sucks, and no-one who thinks so should temper their opinions based on how much GL makes off of it.

You can think about however you want, I'm just telling you like it or lump it, to the big man upstairs (GL) it matters less.

As for the question GL doesn't have to give a shit about anybody, just like me, you, or the mailman. The fact that he does try to make a good movie (and oftentimes fails miserably) shows that he still does give a shit abotu us! And I could care less what you give a shit about, prolly not me.

Well, you don't have to TELL people "like it or lump it" abt ANYTHING. It's a given with crap like this. Someone said it sux, or had an interesting view or something, and that was what you said, which was beside the point. In the meantime, I hate it, and HEmlock likes it. Whoo.

Malecoda wrote:Well, you don't have to TELL people "like it or lump it" abt ANYTHING. It's a given with crap like this. Someone said it sux, or had an interesting view or something, and that was what you said, which was beside the point. In the meantime, I hate it, and HEmlock likes it. Whoo.

Sure I do, just to remind that their opinionsareirrelevent. Like mine yours, hemlocks, the mailmans. After all, Galv did say "Butwhatif we think they suck?" And I told him, and I'm telling you. No offense you understand.

It's Discussion Forums like this that a lot of the writters visit to get ideas and feedback. It is up to us to say if we like something or not. We are the people that made Star Wars. We are the people who go to the films and camp outside the cinema for a week before it starts. There fore we should say if we think Lucas is blowing smoke up our asses. Personally i have always believed that Lucas was makign half of the story up as he went along.

Personally i have always believed that Lucas was makign half of the story up as he went along.

At least that much should seem obvious to anybody who's followed the whole prequel thing for long enough. I'll definately drink to that!

and why do you feel opinions are irrelevent?

Simon H. Johansen- I feel exactly the opposite about TPM and AOTC's "Star Wars" feel. When the text scroll by ended in TPM and the camera swung down and to the left on the Republic Cruiser, I knew it was a Star Wars flick. On the other hand, at the like moment in AOTC, the view swings up.
Coruscant in TPM felt and looked like Star Wars, AOTC it felt like Blade Runner.

Remember, Star Wars= Down and to the left, down and to the left, down and to left.....

Warspite wrote:Why the hell should Lucas care about the EU? It's the EU authors that should care about not stepping into Lucas toes, not the other way around.

Because he gives them permission to write in his universe and then forces them to send little transcripts and exerpts for evaluation by him so they don't do anything he doesn't like.

It's his responsibility to make his universe coherent. He made continuity errors w/ the original trilogy as well, AND the simple cause is he changes his mind too often.

Zahn's trilogy was based on LFL dating which pegged the Clone Wars 30 years prior to ANH. Luckily, most of the dating has been played w/ and some of the stuff in the Thrawn Trilogy does slip in perfectly w/ the 22 years before Yavin date.

The general point is people need to realise SW is a work in progress and his "grand vision of SW" is generally apocryphal and has even changed somewhat since ANH was made and a careful eye and ear can see this.

One has to live w/ it.

A prime example:

http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc ... 01106.html

Personally, I like George's ideas of what happened better than the EU (much as I enjoyed the EU pre-1998).

Now the EU is going to have to play catchup with George's (updated) grand vision with the rest of the prequel material. And again too if he revises any of the other canon materials.

A lot of people I've heard say they wish the prequels had taken the entire EU into account. That's a lot of material to work through and maintain continuity with, and considering George didn't write it, and he's the creator and owner of the franchise, it's his perogative.

He does maintain creative control (as per his right) and he does change his mind.

That reminds me.. not that the Jedi Council is infallible (they were wrong about the SW DVD's, but then that could have changed.. since it happened a year before TPM DVD), but check this out:

http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc ... 20905.html

Heh