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why is the ISD dagger-shaped?

Posted: 2003-01-03 09:53pm
by jaeger115
Forgive me if this has been posted before, but is there any reason why the ISD is dagger-shaped, other than psychological reasons and the infamous turbolaser broadside?

Posted: 2003-01-03 09:54pm
by Howedar
Good fire coverage plus big engines. Angular shape is easier to armor and construct.

Posted: 2003-01-03 09:56pm
by jaeger115
why not a pyramid shape that's tipped over? With the engines at the "base"?

Posted: 2003-01-03 10:03pm
by Kelly Antilles
Because this way it looks really cool? LIke a dagger cutting through the sky?

Posted: 2003-01-03 10:04pm
by HemlockGrey
Good fire coverage, plus it's intimidating.

Posted: 2003-01-03 10:52pm
by jaeger115
For fire coverage, why not a cylinder?

Posted: 2003-01-03 10:53pm
by Darth Yoshi
With a cylinder, you can't effectively armor it. The jagged edges allow for a stronger hull, I believe.

Posted: 2003-01-03 11:01pm
by Stormbringer
jaeger115 wrote:For fire coverage, why not a cylinder?
Because the dagger shape is easier to build than a cylinder.

Posted: 2003-01-03 11:56pm
by Cal Wright
Aerodynamic. It doesn't have to hold up against the drag in space during lightspeed runs.








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Posted: 2003-01-04 12:03am
by Sea Skimmer
jaeger115 wrote:For fire coverage, why not a cylinder?
Making curved armor plate is very hard as is building a hull that shape.

Posted: 2003-01-04 12:26am
by Master of Ossus
jaeger115 wrote:why not a pyramid shape that's tipped over? With the engines at the "base"?
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.

Posted: 2003-01-04 12:33am
by jaeger115
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.
Good point, but what if an enemy approaches the ISD from below? I've noticed that there aren't any weapons on the ventral side.

Posted: 2003-01-04 12:36am
by Ender
jaeger115 wrote:
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.
Good point, but what if an enemy approaches the ISD from below? I've noticed that there aren't any weapons on the ventral side.
Suppossedly there are, they are just the much smaller LTLs.

Posted: 2003-01-04 12:51am
by Keevan_Colton
The dagger shaped design has three important attributes:
Firepower - Large broadsides and large forward fire are capable.
Armour - This shape is more easily armoured.
Target profile - It presents a smaller target compared to a full sized pyramid.

Posted: 2003-01-04 12:56am
by Darth Garden Gnome
I think en your ship is 1600m long, you can ignore target profile altogether Keevan. :D

Posted: 2003-01-04 01:05am
by Master of Ossus
jaeger115 wrote:
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.
Good point, but what if an enemy approaches the ISD from below? I've noticed that there aren't any weapons on the ventral side.
The ship rolls to allow the target to open fire on the dorsal side.

Posted: 2003-01-04 01:20am
by Keevan_Colton
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I think en your ship is 1600m long, you can ignore target profile altogether Keevan. :D
*chuckles* I dont knock any possible advantage.....after all...doing so would be playing fair not playing like an evil overlord.

Keevan.

Posted: 2003-01-04 01:43am
by Darth Fanboy
Does the dagger design do anything for the smaller SDs that enter atmospheres? And if not SDs then maybe the Acclamators that took off at the end of AOTC?

Posted: 2003-01-04 01:47am
by Howedar
jaeger115 wrote:why not a pyramid shape that's tipped over? With the engines at the "base"?
That is exactly what it is.

Posted: 2003-01-04 04:39am
by Cpt_Frank
Darth Fanboy wrote:Does the dagger design do anything for the smaller SDs that enter atmospheres? And if not SDs then maybe the Acclamators that took off at the end of AOTC?
The Acclamators aren't related to Star Destroyers very much maybe except for their dagger shape which is a KDY trademark.
I suppose you are talking about the precursor of the Imperator class Star Destroyer, the Victory class from the late clone wars.
As far as I know the dagger shape hasn't got any advantages since the ship floats due to powerful repulsorlift units.

Posted: 2003-01-04 07:13pm
by Silver
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I think en your ship is 1600m long, you can ignore target profile altogether Keevan. :D
1600m can actually be kinda small when you're talking hundreds of kilometers range combat in space.

Posted: 2003-01-04 07:49pm
by kojikun
Hundreds of kilometers? Arent TLs good for thousands?

But still, at 100klicks a 1.6km ship would be a spec.

Posted: 2003-01-04 07:56pm
by Grand Admiral Thrawn
jaeger115 wrote:
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.
Good point, but what if an enemy approaches the ISD from below? I've noticed that there aren't any weapons on the ventral side.

If it's big, you roll over. If it's small enough it can maneuver away, then the MTLs and LTLs will finish it.

Posted: 2003-01-04 09:03pm
by Illuminatus Primus
I think en your ship is 1600m long, you can ignore target profile altogether Keevan.
I'm sure Bean has gone over the power of SW jamming/ECM and reveals the fallacy in that.

Not to mention just try hitting something capable of traveling at fractional C velocities w/ lightspeed weapons w/ the ECM.

1.6 km becomes awful small all of a sudden.

Posted: 2003-01-05 10:30am
by His Divine Shadow
jaeger115 wrote:
That would necessitate additional shielding, but more importantly it would expose the hangar decks to weapons fire from directly ahead of the ship. In short, it would put a highly vulnerable portion of the ship in the direct line of fire of a target you are trying to destroy.
Good point, but what if an enemy approaches the ISD from below? I've noticed that there aren't any weapons on the ventral side.
Almost, there are two medium weapons, on both the ISD1 and 2, here's a pic of an ISD1:
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