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Not the normal FMJ rounds, but DU or tungsten cored ones might simply go through a lightsaber without completely melting.

Had this in my head for while but didn't know if it was feasible.

Throw enough firepower at a Jedi, and they will go down. Even FMJ will take a Jedi down if you fire enough at them that their defense is overwhelmed. Jedi are, after all, in the end, mortals.

It would take a lot, though. In the Clone Wars cartoon, Obi-Wan deflected a fairly sizeable amount of physical projectiles with one hand.

I'm not talking about volume of fire, I meant a single high caliber round of extremely dense and/or high temp materials being able to simply go through the light saber when the jedi moves to block it.

Marko Dash wrote:I'm not talking about volume of fire, I meant a single high caliber round of extremely dense and/or high temp materials being able to simply go through the light saber when the jedi moves to block it.

There are only a handful of materials in the Star Wars universe that can neutralize a lightsaber blade (just one I can recall off the top of my head, Mandalorian iron). Scarcity/practicality/knowledge of these materials likely come into play with regards to them being used as Jedi killers.

I don't really see why anything on Earth would possess these qualities, considering the advanced metals that lightsabers melt without effort in the GFFA.

Cortosis ore also DGG.

There is an instance of Flechette rounds taking down Jedi in the EU. In Dark Rendezvous during an attack on a spaceport, droids use flechette rounds to bring down the Gran Jedi Maks Leem. Maks was able to use the force to protect some of her more vital areas but the sheer number of tiny blades was more than she could handle for too long.

Let it melt, as long as you have a good bit of molten metal traveling at high speeds it will probably still kill. As long as it doesn't completely vaporize.

Does anybody know if a light saber retards momentum.

What about a sniper from WAY far away? Would Jedi pre-cog be able t oalert and let him dodge/stop the bullet in time?

A Jedi facing a projectile weapon probably wouldn't try reflecting it aside (wouldn't work for one ting), he'll try using something like a Force-wall (like we see obi-Wan do in the Clone Wars comics. The only time I've seen lightsabers used for 'reflecting projectiles was De2 (speargun-like crossbows, really.) and that was silly (I assume a force wall in those cases and the striking lightsabers was incidental.)

Marko Dash wrote:Let it melt, as long as you have a good bit of molten metal traveling at high speeds it will probably still kill. As long as it doesn't completely vaporize.

I tend to think that if there was something as easy as that killing a Jedi, their enemies would've thought of it over the course of 25,000 years.

Force walls aside, I couldn't say the effectiveness of lightsaber vs. bullet.

Crossroads Inc. wrote:What about a sniper from WAY far away? Would Jedi pre-cog be able t oalert and let him dodge/stop the bullet in time?

Why should distance matter? It's not radar. It's "something bad is about to happen to you, here, let's move this way."

Though if you are interested in distance and the Force, we know from ANH that Obi-Wan was able to sense the destruction of Alderaan from light years away. Yoda was able to affect Luke's X-Wing in orbit to crash land on Dagobah. Luke and Vader were able to sense each other from the Death Star to shuttle (a fair distance, it would appear).

Vonduun Crab Armor from the Vong stops sabers. Also, in Children of the Jedi Luke's saber bounces off a "Furnace Stoker" droid which was designed to work in either an antimatter or hypermatter furnace.

And, I think, a lava-worm's scales "shattered" a saber blade, whatever that meant, in the Jedi Academy books.

Perhaps it's the angle of attack and the material? I recall in Phamtom Menance Qui Gon was cutting through some thick bulk heads.

I would imagine that some material could shield themselves from a lightsaber attack.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Vonduun Crab Armor from the Vong stops sabers. Also, in Children of the Jedi Luke's saber bounces off a "Furnace Stoker" droid which was designed to work in either an antimatter or hypermatter furnace.

And, I think, a lava-worm's scales "shattered" a saber blade, whatever that meant, in the Jedi Academy books.

Judging from the effect, contact with the scales appears to have shut down whatever field the 'saber uses to contain what makes up its blade; little bits of nasty plasma went flying around the room, and half of the scale broke.

Since this was a lava-dwelling worm, however, and its scales existed with the purpose of keeping the hot molten rock from damaging it, as soon as it dove back under the surface with the broken scale the lava started burning into it, and it ended up cooking from the inside out.

Yoda was able to affect Luke's X-Wing in orbit to crash land on Dagobah.

Wait...

what?

Anguirus wrote:

Yoda was able to affect Luke's X-Wing in orbit to crash land on Dagobah.

Wait...

what?

In Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, Luke returns to Dagobah at one point and is surprised that he landed so easily. He then ponders that perhaps Yoda affected his X-wing all those years ago and that's why he crashlanded not coincidentally so close to Yoda himself. (and also might explain why his ship survived the crash as well in an operable condition, and he himself)

Basically, Zahn took one of the moments in the film which didn't make sense and rationalised them. Given that Yoda was seen in that film to lift the x-wing out of the bog and land it on the ground using the Force, I don't see why it would be so hard for him to manhandle the x-wing into the bog - as well as explaining why Luke's systems began to fail inexplicably. ("All my scopes are down I can't see a thing!")

EDIT: The important thing is that Luke muses about this, it's not like Yoda's ghost appeared conveniently and told him "Caused your crash, did I? Yes, yes. Hmmm."

The answer to the question in the OP depends on the power output of a lightsabre blade, assuming that the blade is actually massless and will not actually stop the bullet physically. If the transit time multiplied by the power output of the blade is less than the energy required to melt the bullet, the bullet will, naturally, not melt, and continue on to strike the Jedi.

Connor MacLeod wrote:A Jedi facing a projectile weapon probably wouldn't try reflecting it aside (wouldn't work for one ting), he'll try using something like a Force-wall (like we see obi-Wan do in the Clone Wars comics. The only time I've seen lightsabers used for 'reflecting projectiles was De2 (speargun-like crossbows, really.) and that was silly (I assume a force wall in those cases and the striking lightsabers was incidental.)

In the Jedi Power Battles we see the Tuskan Raiders shooting projectile weapons and if you put your saber up to deflect it just disintegrates
Its a corny game but good but its very arcadish

Going Jedi hunting? To hell with blasters, give me a shotgun! Preferably something like this: http://www.camo-store.com/auto_assault_ ... hotgun.htm

That or lure 'em out in the open covered by a sniper. Have the sniper use something semi-auto, and overkill like the M82A1, or Barret's new prototype that fires 25mm.

Stofsk wrote: In Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, Luke returns to Dagobah at one point and is surprised that he landed so easily. He then ponders that perhaps Yoda affected his X-wing all those years ago and that's why he crashlanded not coincidentally so close to Yoda himself. (and also might explain why his ship survived the crash as well in an operable condition, and he himself)

Basically, Zahn took one of the moments in the film which didn't make sense and rationalised them. Given that Yoda was seen in that film to lift the x-wing out of the bog and land it on the ground using the Force, I don't see why it would be so hard for him to manhandle the x-wing into the bog - as well as explaining why Luke's systems began to fail inexplicably. ("All my scopes are down I can't see a thing!")

EDIT: The important thing is that Luke muses about this, it's not like Yoda's ghost appeared conveniently and told him "Caused your crash, did I? Yes, yes. Hmmm."

To digress from the OP, i never understood why this needed to be rationalised.

So, Luke X-wing suffered a convient malfunction. So what? The Rebels aren't that rich in the first place.

In Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, Luke returns to Dagobah at one point and is surprised that he landed so easily. He then ponders that perhaps Yoda affected his X-wing all those years ago and that's why he crashlanded not coincidentally so close to Yoda himself.

Oh, I see. It's been ages since I've read Heir to the Empire, I misplaced the hardcover a long time ago.

Eh, I thought that Dagobah's atmosphere just mucked up his scopes, and the subsequent times he landed there he was able to compensate.

Tychu wrote: In the Jedi Power Battles we see the Tuskan Raiders shooting projectile weapons and if you put your saber up to deflect it just disintegrates
Its a corny game but good but its very arcadish

Game Mechanics. Doesn't count.

There's a reason why many examples of anti-Jedi weaponry are either noise based or something along the lines of grenades.

PainRack wrote:

Stofsk wrote:In Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, Luke returns to Dagobah at one point and is surprised that he landed so easily. He then ponders that perhaps Yoda affected his X-wing all those years ago and that's why he crashlanded not coincidentally so close to Yoda himself. (and also might explain why his ship survived the crash as well in an operable condition, and he himself)

Basically, Zahn took one of the moments in the film which didn't make sense and rationalised them. Given that Yoda was seen in that film to lift the x-wing out of the bog and land it on the ground using the Force, I don't see why it would be so hard for him to manhandle the x-wing into the bog - as well as explaining why Luke's systems began to fail inexplicably. ("All my scopes are down I can't see a thing!")

EDIT: The important thing is that Luke muses about this, it's not like Yoda's ghost appeared conveniently and told him "Caused your crash, did I? Yes, yes. Hmmm."

To digress from the OP, i never understood why this needed to be rationalised.

So, Luke X-wing suffered a convient malfunction. So what? The Rebels aren't that rich in the first place.

And on a planet the size of Dagobah he just happens to uncontrollably crashland near where Yoda hangs out? Yoda's house is within walking distance!

And for a cheap ass fighter it sure has a lot of durability.

Stofsk wrote:

PainRack wrote: To digress from the OP, i never understood why this needed to be rationalised.

So, Luke X-wing suffered a convient malfunction. So what? The Rebels aren't that rich in the first place.

And on a planet the size of Dagobah he just happens to uncontrollably crashland near where Yoda hangs out? Yoda's house is within walking distance!

And for a cheap ass fighter it sure has a lot of durability.

X Wings are far from cheap, in terms of credits and the spilled blood trying to get the first batch of them (see the "Empire" story featuring Biggs Darklighter)

When it comes to Luke crashing on Dagobah, I never once thought Yoda had influence on bringing the ship down, pardon me if I sound like Qui Gon but the Will of the Force itself may have had something to do with it. No such thing as luck eh?

Besides it would be a shitty movie to see Luke wander across Dagobah aimlessly covering a few square miles when Yoda's on the other side of the planet.

Darth Fanboy wrote:

Stofsk wrote:

PainRack wrote: To digress from the OP, i never understood why this needed to be rationalised.

So, Luke X-wing suffered a convient malfunction. So what? The Rebels aren't that rich in the first place.

And on a planet the size of Dagobah he just happens to uncontrollably crashland near where Yoda hangs out? Yoda's house is within walking distance!

And for a cheap ass fighter it sure has a lot of durability.

X Wings are far from cheap, in terms of credits and the spilled blood trying to get the first batch of them (see the "Empire" story featuring Biggs Darklighter)

When it comes to Luke crashing on Dagobah, I never once thought Yoda had influence on bringing the ship down, pardon me if I sound like Qui Gon but the Will of the Force itself may have had something to do with it. No such thing as luck eh?

Besides it would be a shitty movie to see Luke wander across Dagobah aimlessly covering a few square miles when Yoda's on the other side of the planet.

The Second book in the Thrawn duology, Vision of the Future, makes it known that Yoda was expecting Luke from some time before he actually arrived. If he guided Luke's ship down to near his house, it certainly wouldn't be surprising, or unexpected.

Guardsman Bass wrote:

Darth Fanboy wrote:

Stofsk wrote: And on a planet the size of Dagobah he just happens to uncontrollably crashland near where Yoda hangs out? Yoda's house is within walking distance!

And for a cheap ass fighter it sure has a lot of durability.

X Wings are far from cheap, in terms of credits and the spilled blood trying to get the first batch of them (see the "Empire" story featuring Biggs Darklighter)

When it comes to Luke crashing on Dagobah, I never once thought Yoda had influence on bringing the ship down, pardon me if I sound like Qui Gon but the Will of the Force itself may have had something to do with it. No such thing as luck eh?

Besides it would be a shitty movie to see Luke wander across Dagobah aimlessly covering a few square miles when Yoda's on the other side of the planet.

The Second book in the Thrawn duology, Vision of the Future, makes it known that Yoda was expecting Luke from some time before he actually arrived. If he guided Luke's ship down to near his house, it certainly wouldn't be surprising, or unexpected.

It's obvious that Yoda was expecting Luke. Heck, he sent Ghostly Obi-Wan TM out to draw Luke there when he was ready to train him. In the same way, I think it's a pretty safe assumption (and if you're taking the EU into consideration, practically spelled out) that Yoda had a hand in bringing Luke down where he wanted him.

Darth Fanboy wrote:

Stofsk wrote:

PainRack wrote:To digress from the OP, i never understood why this needed to be rationalised.

So, Luke X-wing suffered a convient malfunction. So what? The Rebels aren't that rich in the first place.

And for a cheap ass fighter it sure has a lot of durability.

X Wings are far from cheap, in terms of credits and the spilled blood trying to get the first batch of them (see the "Empire" story featuring Biggs Darklighter)

I was being sarcastic. I don't think for a moment that X-wings are cheap. Painrack was the one going "But the rebels can't even afford to maintain their frontline fighters so no wonder the scopes went down!"

Darth Fanboy wrote:

Stofsk wrote:And on a planet the size of Dagobah he just happens to uncontrollably crashland near where Yoda hangs out? Yoda's house is within walking distance!

When it comes to Luke crashing on Dagobah, I never once thought Yoda had influence on bringing the ship down, pardon me if I sound like Qui Gon but the Will of the Force itself may have had something to do with it. No such thing as luck eh?

Besides it would be a shitty movie to see Luke wander across Dagobah aimlessly covering a few square miles when Yoda's on the other side of the planet.

Again, Luke's fighter malfunctions inexplicably with no known apparent cause, yet even when he crashes it survives intact (completely intact, as in "it could still fly later on in the film"). Again, not coincidentally, Yoda's house is within walking distance.

Some of it might have been luck (like how Luke began re-entry even in the same continent as Yoda) or will of the force, but even the will of the force can only go so far before you start to think "hang on that's a large number of coincidences."

You could say that Yoda made Luke's X-wing 'malfunction' but the will of the force was what brought Luke even near Yoda to begin with.