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Creating a third side pre-Battle of Endor

Posted: 2006-10-12 02:06am
by Battlehymn Republic
I've read the SD thread about Empires at War: Forces of Corruption, and I've been wondering what would make an alternate good third side rather than the "Zann Consortium."

The purpose of this thread is to create a "semi-canon", or better yet, an Infinites version of the civil war in which a third side comes into play.

In RTS, the three factions usually follow with one "federation"-type group that most players can identify with, one "evil empire"-type group, and one group that's totally alien. Or rather, one balanced/speedy group, one raw power group but with bad tech, and one sneaky group that has nice effects on account of super tech. Could this work out real story-wise for the SW universe? I'm doubt it, though the rock-paper-scissors paradigm is always tempting to use.

However, story-wise, I think the third side should be alien enough in a way that it's neither good nor evil, and so perhaps alien enough in its ideology so that its goals is pure takeover for its sake.

So, that means the side should either be:

1. An completely alien race. But without mentioning the Vong, are the Ssi-Ruvi or the Chiss/Kilik powerful to be a contender? Doubt it. However, what if IG-88 really did succeed in creating a semi-droid revolution? Too overplayed? Maybe not then.

2. An amoral group. However, were any of the semi-autonomous regions around that time be willing to attempt conquest of the galaxy?

If I was to come up with a third side, I'd probably make it into a very shifty, sideshow war-waging faction that is included only because:

1. They're powerful enough to count, and

2. are actually involved in fighting.

What I'd do is to take the Tyber Zann concept and first change the name to something other than Consortium, which is already taken by the feminist mages or whoever. Next, though I wouldn't be able to build it around preexisting characters, I'd steal the concept that someone had from the other thread and give it a history that started with escaped CIS soldiers who fled to the Outer Rim and went underground. Some of these guys became involved with actual organized crime, and others managed to get sympathizers to infiltrate the Imperial military (but of course not too at a high level). Like the mythical Nazi ODESSA, they'd stick it out indefinitely, slowly biding their time, getting resources in the underworld.

Eventually, they'd emerge during the thick of the civil war as a gray Confederation, made up of people who are against both the Empire and the Republic-revivalist Rebellion, and want control of the galaxy to themselves, with possibly some vague promises of a vaguely libertarian world after that. In reality, most of the people are ex-CIS, gangsters, and ex-Imperials who despise the Rebellion.

As an aside, I think the Tyber Zann thing could have easily be changed to someone who unites the Hutt syndicates (but not a Hutt, since that'd lower appeal), or just an alternate Xizor (though that would require EOTW: Forces of Corruption) to be a criminal warlord. Zann, on the other hand, seems to be created just so he can look like the Prince Arthas from Warcraft 3.

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Posted: 2006-10-12 10:09am
by Invictus ChiKen
I recall reading about the Corporate Sector Authority.

I'd love to have seen Star Wars as a fight between an amoral Empire, a 'good' Rebblion and the 'evil' CSA.

But tis me.

Posted: 2006-10-12 02:50pm
by Battlehymn Republic
The problem with the CSA is that it was (for whatever reason) firmly pro-Empire. Though we can always have a crazy wacky scenario where IG-88 or some other wankdroid starts a cybernetic rebellion there.

Posted: 2006-10-12 04:53pm
by Isolder74
What about having Admiral Zarrian showing up just after the rebels in an attempt you kill the emperor?

Not sure how big a side that would be.

Posted: 2006-10-12 06:39pm
by Invictus ChiKen
Battlehymn Republic wrote:The problem with the CSA is that it was (for whatever reason) firmly pro-Empire. Though we can always have a crazy wacky scenario where IG-88 or some other wankdroid starts a cybernetic rebellion there.
Well since we are re-writting Star Wars for this changing the CSA would be fairly easy.

Posted: 2006-10-12 06:52pm
by Elheru Aran
Invictus ChiKen wrote:
Battlehymn Republic wrote:The problem with the CSA is that it was (for whatever reason) firmly pro-Empire. Though we can always have a crazy wacky scenario where IG-88 or some other wankdroid starts a cybernetic rebellion there.
Well since we are re-writting Star Wars for this changing the CSA would be fairly easy.
If I was going to use the CSA, I'd probably make part of the CSA being a former Separatist faction where many of the CSA's ships and military vessels are built; that would allow them to break away and have a large enough fleet in order to be plausible. In terms of galactic politics, though, the CSA was never enough of a factor to really affect the Civil War, so it's not really the best faction to use...

Posted: 2006-10-14 10:30am
by Master of Cards
Elheru Aran wrote:
Invictus ChiKen wrote:
Battlehymn Republic wrote:The problem with the CSA is that it was (for whatever reason) firmly pro-Empire. Though we can always have a crazy wacky scenario where IG-88 or some other wankdroid starts a cybernetic rebellion there.
Well since we are re-writting Star Wars for this changing the CSA would be fairly easy.
If I was going to use the CSA, I'd probably make part of the CSA being a former Separatist faction where many of the CSA's ships and military vessels are built; that would allow them to break away and have a large enough fleet in order to be plausible. In terms of galactic politics, though, the CSA was never enough of a factor to really affect the Civil War, so it's not really the best faction to use...
But it would show where the ships were diverted from attacking the rebels.

zsinj?

Posted: 2006-10-14 10:38am
by Lex
recall that waky dude? that's pretty much the 3 front war you want, isn't it?

Posted: 2006-10-15 10:56am
by Bedlam
In a long running role play game a friend of mine set up at university there was a group called the Isis League which was a large group of rogue imperials. Basically they wanted the empire but without palpatine. They were big on control and protection but without the more open evilness and corruption of the empire.

If I remember correctly they were somewhat friendly with the alliance (working towards the same general goal) and basically were interested in the alliance becoming part of them but without the bring back the republic stuff.

Posted: 2006-10-15 03:17pm
by Battlehymn Republic
Both the Zaarin and the Trachta (unrelated) coups were about Imperials who mistrusted Palpatine without wanting to do away from the Empire. They both didn't care for the Rebels, though. A third side could easily be ex-Imperials, I guess, but that's in the vein of something realistic and cut-and-dry. Though they'd have to be pretty brave Imps to betray the Sith.

Re: zsinj?

Posted: 2006-10-18 05:52pm
by Master of Cards
Lex wrote:recall that waky dude? that's pretty much the 3 front war you want, isn't it?
that's post endor