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Guilt projection and Palpatine/Windu

Posted: 2006-10-30 09:17am
by PainRack
This looks to be a painfully, short, dumb question. When Mace and Palpatine were locked in stalemate, Anakin was the one who turned the tide by chopping Windu arm off.

As Palpatine lay grovelling, Windu essentially made the same argument Palpatine made for Dooku. Could it be that Anakin guilt over his murder of Dooku played a significant role in his decision, and thus, his fall to the Dark Side?

Posted: 2006-10-30 04:43pm
by Chiaroscuro
Well, they're not exactly in stalemate; Palpatine is entirely at Mace Windu's mercy. I think that while the guilt about Count Dooku may be one of the underlying fears that drives Anakin to feel reluctant sharing his emotions with the Jedi, the real reason Anakin cuts off Mace's arm is because he can't bear to see Palpatine die--because Palpatine, he thinks, has the only key to save Padme from certain death.
I didn't like the way Anakin's transformation was portrayed in the movie. Too abrupt.

Posted: 2006-10-30 05:44pm
by Ziggy Stardust
I personally liked how abrupt it was. If it was gradual, it would show that Anakin was, at heart, a bad person and his fall to the Dark Side was inevitable. The abruptness, in my mind, showed simply that Palpatine broke him, which I think makes more sense.

Posted: 2006-10-31 05:14am
by 2000AD
Given all the foreshadowing in previous works (The tuskens in AotC, the dark side killing in Rogue Planet, etc) it was hardly abrupt.

Posted: 2006-10-31 06:57pm
by Pelranius
I don't recall Anakin ever seeming to feel terribly guilty about bumping off Dooku like that. Of course, it's been six months since I last watched the DVD.

Posted: 2006-10-31 07:22pm
by Surlethe
Pelranius wrote:I don't recall Anakin ever seeming to feel terribly guilty about bumping off Dooku like that. Of course, it's been six months since I last watched the DVD.
The novelization goes a bit more in-depth about the guilt Anakin feels for killing Dooku, when by rights the Sith lord ought to have been imprisoned and tried.

Posted: 2006-11-01 03:36am
by Vympel
Mace Windu going on about how Palpatine was too dangerous to be left alive just like Palpatine said about Dooku was almost certainly a factor. Can't have been a coincidence. Here's a Jedi Master using the same reasoning as a Sith Lord. What's the difference, thought Anakin ...

And so long as they're so similar, I'm gonna save Padamame or Panda Bear or whatever the hell her name is ...

Posted: 2006-11-01 05:29am
by PainRack
Vympel wrote:Mace Windu going on about how Palpatine was too dangerous to be left alive just like Palpatine said about Dooku was almost certainly a factor. Can't have been a coincidence. Here's a Jedi Master using the same reasoning as a Sith Lord. What's the difference, thought Anakin ...

And so long as they're so similar, I'm gonna save Padamame or Panda Bear or whatever the hell her name is ...
The way you say it make it sounds too much like a conscious decision though.


Still, one has to wonder, why was Anakin so devastated when he began calling Palpy master? Was it a form of rationalisation of what he has done kicking in?

Posted: 2006-11-01 08:03am
by Surlethe
PainRack wrote:Still, one has to wonder, why was Anakin so devastated when he began calling Palpy master? Was it a form of rationalisation of what he has done kicking in?
At that point, I presume he's still torn, and he's mentally kicking himself for it. You know, Oh, shit! I just killed a Jedi Master, and I'm alone in the room with a Sith Lord! I think he's divided between his irrational love for Padme and his repulsion for Palpatine, whom (Anakin now realizes) has deceived him time and time again. He's also got to be thinking about Obi-Wan, who is, for all intents and purposes, his father/older brother figure.

Posted: 2006-11-02 04:53am
by freker
according to the novelisation he also call palpatine master because he wants to learn the secret of averting death.
at that point he feels he has sunken so deep that nothing except padme's life matters