Godzilla (1998) VS Modern earth

[Archinist]

It is the year 2016 and an 18-year old godzilla appears in the middle of the desert somewhere in Africa. He has a massive satellite radio on his back, so strong that every single nation is immediately aware of his presence and also alien messages translated into English speak of his capabilities. Godzilla wanders around for a few minutes when a ROB flies past and decides it is unfair is he is allowed free roam, so it freezes him for 48 hours and also tells the nations how long he is frozen for.

What happens now?

[Borgholio]

Dude, just stop with the bullshit already. Stick with "Godzilla 1998 vs Modern military and you already have something worth discussing.

With that said, nothing much changes. 1998 military had enough firewpower to take him out easily once they could get a clear shot with F-18s. We would probably do much the same thing.

[Archinist]

Dude, just stop with the bullshit already. Stick with "Godzilla 1998 vs Modern military and you already have something worth discussing.

With that said, nothing much changes. 1998 military had enough firewpower to take him out easily once they could get a clear shot with F-18s. We would probably do much the same thing.

If you read the setup, you would realise that there is very little changed, except the location of godzilla is known to every nation, as well as his capabilities. Also he's frozen for two days.

[Borgholio]

If he's frozen for two days that just makes him a bigger target and easier to find than in the original movie, where he was hiding in New York City. Even in 1998 when they had no idea exactly where he was, it didn't take them all THAT long to find and kill him.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

If he's frozen for two days that just makes him a bigger target and easier to find than in the original movie, where he was hiding in New York City. Even in 1998 when they had no idea exactly where he was, it didn't take them all THAT long to find and kill him.

It's not as if there's anywhere for a big freaking lizard thirty stories high to hide. And, it's not as if Godzilla can cross the Atlantic and no one would notice.

F-18s, MiG-29s, Mirages, Typhoons, and various other jet fighters, along with SS-22(?) and TLAM strikes would turn Godzilla into into a God-awful mess whether he's frozen or not. Even he can't stop massive missile spam from every major military force on the planet.

Game over, dude, game over.

[Titan Uranus]

Dude, just stop with the bullshit already. Stick with "Godzilla 1998 vs Modern military and you already have something worth discussing.

With that said, nothing much changes. 1998 military had enough firewpower to take him out easily once they could get a clear shot with F-18s. We would probably do much the same thing.

Nah, don't make him stop, half the time we get interesting discussions out of his crazy nonsense once actually learned people start talking, it's like Zor back in the day.

That being said, she (wasn't 1998 godzilla a she?) was killed in Manhatten, by a small portion of the 1998 US military (I'm not sure there's any reason to believe that she fought more than a marine battalion plus a CVN and a nuke sub).


Maybe your idea is that it could become a threat once it lays it's eggs?
The Sahara isn't really a good place for its children to feed, and there is no possibility of collateral damage (well, except some nomads, but noone cares about them at the best of times).
For it to even multiply it needs some secrecy, which it can't have in the modern world anywhere except underwater and some remote areas (until a satellite spots the moving mountain).
But to have food for its kids it needs to, I don't know, eat a rainforest?

Unless the kids can swim and get their fill underwater, in which case maybe, if it landed on some deserted tropical island, and got lucky, it might be able to multiply, and then you might have a worthwhile RAR.

Unfortunately you strapped a homing beacon to her back, and told everyone on Earth what it is and what it's capabilities are, and then you froze the poor thing.

Given its penchant for nesting in stadiums that I suspect the owners would rather use, someone is going to kill it.

Quite possibly locals, I'm sure that one of the nations bordering the Sahara can just drop bombs on the damned thing with impunity until they clonk it on the head with enough high explosives to make it drop dead.
You'd probably only need the one bomb, except for the fact that all of the air forces bordering the Sahara are incompetent as far as I know. Maybe the French would do it? They've got client states bordering the Sahara. It would be proper, since the frogs created the damned thing (even if they were alternate reality frogs.)

Did you mean some other Godzilla?

Wasn't there a Godzilla knockoff that magically regrew from every piece and was only killed by poison? That might actually be a problem, if you didn't tell the nations of the world about its capabilities.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

For it to even multiply it needs some secrecy, which it can't have in the modern world anywhere except underwater and some remote areas (until a satellite spots the moving mountain).

Not even underwater, not with SOSUS operational(along with the rest of the IUSS) and surveillance satellites orbiting above. And, just how does our beastie like being raked with active sonar when its general location is discovered?

[Majin Gojira]

That being said, she (wasn't 1998 godzilla a she?) was killed in Manhatten, by a small portion of the 1998 US military (I'm not sure there's any reason to believe that she fought more than a marine battalion plus a CVN and a nuke sub).

"He", but he was hermaphroditic.

Wasn't there a Godzilla knockoff that magically regrew from every piece and was only killed by poison? That might actually be a problem, if you didn't tell the nations of the world about its capabilities.

That would be the Danish monster Reptilicus.

Depending on which cut you watched, it could also either spit acid slime or fly.

[Titan Uranus]

That would be the Danish monster Reptilicus.

Depending on which cut you watched, it could also either spit acid slime or fly.

Ah, I saw the acid version as a small child, I'm not sure why it was shown on cable in the US in ~2005, but it was.

For it to even multiply it needs some secrecy, which it can't have in the modern world anywhere except underwater and some remote areas (until a satellite spots the moving mountain).

Not even underwater, not with SOSUS operational(along with the rest of the IUSS) and surveillance satellites orbiting above. And, just how does our beastie like being raked with active sonar when its general location is discovered?

Well, they aren't able to scan everywhere, and the idea of it being able to hide at all is predicated upon there not being a tracker and on the world's governments knowing nothing about it.

Without those assumptions, it dies, with them it is more possible to hide, because noone is going to see a mobile mountain and think "that's a gigantic underwater monster" before they think equipment failure, hallucinations, underwater volcanoes, or new, wierd kind of Submarine, certainly they wouldn't attack it until the next hatching, which would presumably occur when all of the hatchlings lay clutches, since noone mentioned the possibility of another giant sea monster appearing in the movie, as far as I remember.

[Q99]

I love Reptilicus, only Danish Kaiju fill, caught it on TV fairly recently and still have it on DVR ^^

Unlike Godzilla '98, a quite tricky threat.

Though the regeneration is slow enough that 'blow it apart, then destroy the pieces ASAP,' would be an option IMO, as long as it's done in an open area.

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With '98, temporary evasion would be possible... but it'd be childsplay to follow it's tracks, it actually hiding would be easy. Also the 'heatseeking missiles don't follow,' doesn't work. It'd be a heat signature simply due to it's size (big enough animals are defacto warm blooded), and they did manage the initial lock.

[Tribble]

'98 Godzilla-in-Name-Only is going to go down fast. Not only does every nation on Earth know where it is at any given moment via the giant satellite radio sticking out of its ass, you've frozen it for 2 days and put it in a place where military forces can operate with virtually unrestricted force since there were be very little / no risk of collateral damage. IMO it's lifespan will be determined by how fast the jets can fuel up, fly over and bomb it into big stinking slabs of meat. Seriously, the actual fight wouldn't even last as long as it's fight against Godzilla:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlkfc9 ... OG_HTML5=1

"I knew that tuna-head wasn't up to much. Next!"

[Titan Uranus]

I love Reptilicus, only Danish Kaiju fill, caught it on TV fairly recently and still have it on DVR ^^

Unlike Godzilla '98, a quite tricky threat.

Though the regeneration is slow enough that 'blow it apart, then destroy the pieces ASAP,' would be an option IMO, as long as it's done in an open area.

I don't think that would work, as I recall it could magically regenerate from a single cell.
I remember that they discussed using a nuclear bomb on the thing and the military guy (Major? Colonel? I was 10, okay) said something like "I don't care how tough that giant lizard is, it can't take X megatons"
To which the scientist said "What about 10,000 giant lizards?"

With '98, temporary evasion would be possible... but it'd be childsplay to follow it's tracks, it actually hiding would be easy. Also the 'heatseeking missiles don't follow,' doesn't work. It'd be a heat signature simply due to it's size (big enough animals are defacto warm blooded), and they did manage the initial lock.

I think the shear size would preclude most heatseakers from working (most don't have very large warheads), and if it's in the Sahara, why bother using expensive ordinance when iron bombs will work just fine? Especially if anyone but the US engages it. The thing is the size of a building.
The only way Godzilla could survive in any era past the advent of explosive shells is by not destroying cities, which only works if humans know nothing about it's penchant for nesting in stadiums or it's ability to produce absurd amounts of offspring.
The creature can't be seen as a threat, otherwise basically any military can and will kill it very shortly. You might have an interesting RAR if it were somehow not seen as a threat, it was allowed to breed repeatedly, and they became gigantic endemic pests.

[Q99]

I don't think that would work, as I recall it could magically regenerate from a single cell.
I remember that they discussed using a nuclear bomb on the thing and the military guy (Major? Colonel? I was 10, okay) said something like "I don't care how tough that giant lizard is, it can't take X megatons"
To which the scientist said "What about 10,000 giant lizards?"

The parts it was regrowing from in the film were a lot bigger.

Also, when it's regenerating, it does pass through a size category where it's quite visible, but not a threat. As long as you *know where they all are* and can be sure to burn 'em all (/poison the regen'ing bits, whatever), do regular sweeps of the area to make sure you got it, that could do.

Which does raise the problem of using a nuclear weapon- you don't want to spend time carefully sweeping a nuke zone.

There is a risk, and you don't want to do it in the wrong terrain but poison isn't the only option IMO.

I think the shear size would preclude most heatseakers from working (most don't have very large warheads), and if it's in the Sahara, why bother using expensive ordinance when iron bombs will work just fine? Especially if anyone but the US engages it. The thing is the size of a building.

It just shrugging off what are essentially anti-aircraft missiles would make a lot of sense. But given it's relative fragility, even those are likely to hurt some, and leave a blood trail.

The only way Godzilla could survive in any era past the advent of explosive shells is by not destroying cities, which only works if humans know nothing about it's penchant for nesting in stadiums or it's ability to produce absurd amounts of offspring.
The creature can't be seen as a threat, otherwise basically any military can and will kill it very shortly. You might have an interesting RAR if it were somehow not seen as a threat, it was allowed to breed repeatedly, and they became gigantic endemic pests.

*Nods* an actual outbreak of Zillas would be quite the threat!

With the question of, 'how long does it take to grow to that size?'. The hatchlings are tiny, it likely takes years to get huge.


Well, unless it's like Gyaos from the Heisei Gameras. Now those are a world-level threat!

[U.P. Cinnabar]

preclude most heatseakers from working (most don't have very large warheads)

Surface-to-surface, undersea-to-surface and air-to-surface missiles such as the TLAM or the SS-22 don't use heatseeking as their primary means of guidance. And, you use them, before using iron bombs, because you increase the range at which you can effectively engage the beastie.

[Titan Uranus]

preclude most heatseakers from working (most don't have very large warheads)

Surface-to-surface, undersea-to-surface and air-to-surface missiles such as the TLAM or the SS-22 don't use heatseeking as their primary means of guidance. And, you use them, before using iron bombs, because you increase the range at which you can effectively engage the beastie.

I know that, the guy I was quoting mentioned that heat seekers not working was bullshit, I said most heat seeking missiles wouldn't be particularly effective anyway.

If Godzilla lands in the Sahara, the US is not going to be the first force to engage him, the fourth and fifth rate air forces of the Sahara bordering states (only Egypt has even a paper force that might have some to spare) do not have a lot of big guided weapons, so they would use iron bombs, and probably unguided rockets, not only are they cheaper, they let your men get in target practice.

You don't really need any more range advantage against a slow, giant, melee only target in the middle of nowhere.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

I know that, the guy I was quoting mentioned that heat seekers not working was bullshit, I said most heat seeking missiles wouldn't be particularly effective anyway.

My bad, then.

If Godzilla lands in the Sahara, the US is not going to be the first force to engage him

Nor did I imply that. But, they will get involved.

the fourth and fifth rate air forces of the Sahara bordering states (only Egypt has even a paper force that might have some to spare) do not have a lot of big guided weapons, so they would use iron bombs, and probably unguided rockets, not only are they cheaper, they let your men get in target practice.

Egypt, Libya, possibly Morocco and Algeria, are the sole North African polities with any air force worthy of the name. And, I wouldn't count on the reliability of what remains of the Libyan air force, after the civil war.

(I'd say the same for the Egyptians, but you beat me to it)

You don't really need any more range advantage against a slow, giant, melee only target in the middle of nowhere.

1998 Godzilla doesn't have any ranged attacks, does it? I was thinking Toho Studios Godzilla, who does.

[Borgholio]

1998 Godzilla doesn't have any ranged attacks, does it? I was thinking Toho Studios Godzilla, who does.

He has a very short ranged breath weapon that he used once. But it's not even enough to clear out a city street. Toho's Godzilla's weapon is far superior.

[Q99]

Yea, it's like... Zilla breaths out and knocks stuff over. It's hard to tell whether there's any fire or if the flammable stuff blown just happened to spark. The damage was minimal.