Allanon Vs. Gandalf

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-08-22 07:43pm

Title says it. Assume open field, sparse foliage, no weapons except Gandalf's staff. (No, he doesn't get his fucking sword.)

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-08-23 11:07am

Assume, for a moment, that no-one else in the entire world knows who the fuck you're talking about.

Post the question again.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-08-23 11:32am

Vendetta wrote:Assume, for a moment, that no-one else in the entire world knows who the fuck you're talking about.

Post the question again.

Allanon is the Druid from the first 3 books in the Shanara series by Terry Brooks.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-08-23 02:19pm

Hmm, its a hard one. In the Shannara series, Allanon's typical offensive magic is blue fire that can burn shit to ash in seconds. Gandalf's magic is more sedate, as I recall. I don't remember him shooting lightning out of his eyeballs or anything, his magic is more of a manipultive type.

So I don't know.

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-08-23 04:44pm

Chardok wrote:Title says it. Assume open field, sparse foliage, no weapons except Gandalf's staff. (No, he doesn't get his fucking sword.)

Why not?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-08-23 06:19pm

Because it's my topic.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-08-23 06:23pm

Chardok wrote:Because it's my topic.

Now, would you like me to adopt the attitude of 'It's my forum!'?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-08-23 06:40pm

Knife wrote:Hmm, its a hard one. In the Shannara series, Allanon's typical offensive magic is blue fire that can burn shit to ash in seconds. Gandalf's magic is more sedate, as I recall. I don't remember him shooting lightning out of his eyeballs or anything, his magic is more of a manipultive type.

So I don't know.

Yep. That suggests Allanon's is probably MJ range for a human-sized opponent (upper limit is probably around a couple hundred MW sustained output since thats close to whats required to vaporize someone, and he never does that. I Suspect its easily an order of magnitude less.) We should also note Allanon can shield himself against magic attacks of similar nature (Skull Bearers, Mord Wraiths, etc.), which would infer he has magic attacks of similar magnitude. I know Allanon has faced larger enemies, but I am not certain if he ever burned them to ash. If so, then its possible one might boost that figure by an order of magnitude. He can also sense magic, cloak himself from detection, heal himself, and certain other abilities (As well as enhance weapons with his magic, as Bremen did in First King of Shannara.)

Gandalf can I think do the same (I know he controls fire, but I dont recall him burning anyone to ash) and he apparently can control lightning. Assuming it was of the same magnitude as lightning that falls from the sky, it might be GW range - however this is purely subjective speculation (its entirely possible its alot less than that.) I am not certain if Gandalf can s hield himself against such attacks, and I think he *ought* to have similar abilities.

Basically, its really going to depend on whether Gandalf can cremate his opponents the way Allanon can (or has ever given evidence to be able to) with his fire, in which case I suspect its a matter of who gets the first shot off. If Gandalf can muster GW level firepower, he more than likely will certainly kill Allanon, shield or no.

My own purely subjective opinion suggests that Allanon would *probably* win, though.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-08-23 06:42pm

Chardok wrote:Because it's my topic.

Allanon has a sword in the Hildebrant drawings. Its just as fair to give Gandalf his (Bremen has demonstrated the ability to magically enhance weapons of Elven soldiers in F irst King, and its entirely possible it is magical, given that Bremen constructed the Sword of Shannara and Allanon constructed the Sword of Leah without much effort.)

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-08-23 10:56pm

Not good to mix precivilization and post civilization wizards.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-08-24 01:57am

I know Allanon has faced larger enemies, but I am not certain if he ever burned them to ash

As far as I can remember, Allanon has flashed fried just about everyone who came into combat with him. He cooked every demon who came close to him in the 'Elfstones' and the only thing I can think of the didn't get fried is the thingy migig that killed him and the Skullbearer in the fire pit in the Druid Keep. However the Skullbearer died in the fire while Allanon later explained that he enjoyed a certain imunity to fire.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-08-24 02:03am

a jachyra killed him. odd little laughing thing. predecessor of terry goodkind's screeling.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-08-24 06:44am

Knife wrote:
I know Allanon has faced larger enemies, but I am not certain if he ever burned them to ash
As far as I can remember, Allanon has flashed fried just about everyone who came into combat with him. He cooked every demon who came close to him in the 'Elfstones' and the only thing I can think of the didn't get fried is the thingy migig that killed him and the Skullbearer in the fire pit in the Druid Keep. However the Skullbearer died in the fire while Allanon later explained that he enjoyed a certain imunity to fire.

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I thought so too. The largets I can recall tough were the Serpent in the Tomb of Kings in Sword of Shannara (he didnt ash that though) and the Dragon-demon in Elfstones of Shannara - I think he did ash that, although it took a substantial effort.)

If thats teh case, it might be possible that Allanon, at significant effort, could match Gandalf's upper limit. In which case, ti becomes a matter of who fires first.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-08-25 01:18pm

Taking away gandalf's sword is somewhat unfair, as that is his primary attack mode. That thing is designed to kill evil scum of Middle earth, who ain't pushovers.

As far as firepower, we must also not forget that its not a matter of energy - I highly doubt that X MJ are actually contained in Allanon's attacks. Rather, its magic fiery disintegration. The physical energy involved is probably trivial.

As far as it goes, my WAG is that Galdalf's shield protects him from Allanon's blasts. and then he cuits the sumbitch in half.

Besides, Allanon canot actually kill Gandalf. He can only really hurt him.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-08-25 03:32pm

The onyl reason I said no sword for Gandlf is because I was not aware of Allanon ever weilding a sword with any appreciable effect, while gandalf uses his sword mostly to blind people with it's brilliance and whatnot, I wanted this to be a "Wizards Duel" of pure spellcasting ability....With no unfair advantages. Gandalf get's his staff because in some instances, it appears that his staff is a foci to some effect and without it, allanon would have the advantage. Therefore, No sword for gandalf, No sword for Gandalf!

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