covert Ops troops vs Hogwarts

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2003-08-31 10:56pm

well i was thinking how would win

you can have any Speceal forces troops(and any number)

vs hogwarts

there mission is ether to
A kill all of them
or B kill the teachers and take the "students captive"
or C take them all Captive
D take a person,item, or wright "killroy was hear" type msg. ect)

and leave the bulding befor help arives

can thy do any of them? and get away alive

(yes im a ware of thy fact that thy have anti eaves droping enchantments inplace)

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-08-31 11:02pm

This belongs in Fantasy.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2003-08-31 11:18pm

oh realy dident think about that

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-09-01 01:33am

In any number? Fine.

Hogwarts vs 1e50 Navy SEALS.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-09-01 01:42am

What are you trying to do, suffocate them?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-09-01 02:08am

Crayz9000 wrote:What are you trying to do, suffocate them?

Choke their rivers with their dead, obviously.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-09-01 12:49pm

"Knife this is Sandman, over"

"Roger Sandman, this is Knife"

Knife, this is Sandman, starting my run now. Over"

"I copy Sandman, lasing target now. Over"

"Shot over"

"Shot out, stand by for BDA."

Ok, so there is a plane in it too. Sue me.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-09-02 04:31am

Better yet, smack Hogwarts with a moon-sized ball of Navy SEALS.

("Any number" is a rather silly allowance to make in a discussion like this. Hehe.)

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-09-02 12:08pm

If they can get through the wards preventing non-magic-users from approaching the school, then a small number of troops could acomplish those objectives. At most you'd need maybe a company or so to capture everyone. The biggest threats would be the teachers, who are trained wizards.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-09-02 12:44pm

The biggest threats would be the teachers, who are trained wizards.

Unfortunately, few of them are experienced in combat, and none of them could maintain a credible defense against a professional combat squad.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-09-02 01:01pm

Even if they could enter the Castle somehow (it's invisible, unplottable and untraceable for a reason) you still have the non-teachers nasty surprises they would face: Monsters, corridors and stairs that won't keep still, invisible doors, ghosts, etc. I don't see how a small number of men could do it and at the same time fight the dozen hardened teachers over there (Dumbledore, Snapes, etc) that know the terrain and where to shelter themselves when needed.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-09-02 01:04pm

Crayz9000 wrote:What are you trying to do, suffocate them?

More like colapsing probable all of the known universe into a black hole...

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-09-02 01:06pm

Spec-forces wouldn't even be able to find most of the students if they were to be inside their dorms...

Wizards don't really seem to consider Muggles much of a threat for some reason, and I don't think most technology works on Hogwarts grounds (Book 4, Hermione talking about you can't bug somebody in Hogwarts)

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-09-02 01:19pm

Exonerate wrote:Spec-forces wouldn't even be able to find most of the students if they were to be inside their dorms...

Wizards don't really seem to consider Muggles much of a threat for some reason, and I don't think most technology works on Hogwarts grounds (Book 4, Hermione talking about you can't bug somebody in Hogwarts)

It doesn't. High technology like electronics and radar don't work in the vicinity of Hogwarts.

Anyway, it's doubtful that the special forces can even find Hogwarts, since it's magically hidden, let alone infiltrate it. Alot of the students and teachers would be useless, but there are quite a few that would be dangerous, like Dumbledore, who can become invisible at will and stun whole rooms full of people in an instant.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-09-02 02:15pm

Electrical devices fail.

Guns would work, as chemical reactions are fine (ref: Colin's camera), but communications outside of reasonably close sight range would have to be open to all or not used.

This also means that gadgetry like night vision wouldn't work, meaning that cover of darkness would be just as limiting to both sides.

The effectiveness of anything else depends on what the mission is.

On a mission where killing anything is OK, the attacking force has the advantage, as they can employ lethal force very quickly against most of the populace, faster than most can concentrate on a disarm or stunning spell.

If that's not possible, then it becomes a lot harder, as the defenders can incapacitate and stun at range.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-02 04:50pm

Non lethal ammo in weapons like muskets and the like (or improved versions, unless assault guns would work)

Walk into the main hall during dinner, fire or toss grenades into the hall, and open fire with high speed guns firing non-lethal rounds and knock everyone out.

Of course, the question is, how would they get there

I like the idea of Voldamort having a hand in it. i.e Spells to let technology work, and then hypnos on them into his servants....

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-09-03 11:46am

To be honest with ya, the troops would probably just surround the place, pout on gas masks, and fire Willy Petes and tear gas into the entire complex.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-09-03 02:44pm

Lt. Nebfer wrote:D take a person,item, or wright "killroy was hear" type msg. ect)

"Now I have a machine gun."

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-09-03 03:03pm

From what I have seen in the movies, if the Special Forces group got into Hogwarts they would do much better than the one that got into the X-Mansion.

The largest problem for the attackers would be the moving stairs, and the surprise of Fluffy.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-09-03 03:21pm

Death from the Sea wrote: The largest problem for the attackers would be the moving stairs, and the surprise of Fluffy.

Plus there's the whomping Willow, Hagrid and Fang, all the ghosts, the living portraits and the caretaker and his cat. I think it's a safe bet that they wont go undetected for long.

On the plus side the libruary isn't as dangerous as other magical ones (such as unseen University's), but god help them if they go in the forest!

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2003-09-03 07:56pm

*sigh* God damn it. The above was meant for one of the other of many HP threads. Could one of the mods delete please?

What post? There's no post. They lied to you. They all lied.

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2003-09-03 11:48pm

well you guys just sumed it up for me

i thought the spec force troops would win... if thy could find the place that is

any way what would hapen if thy did the dissarming spell when you where pulling the pin on your nade?

one of my "dreams"(or day dreams if you can say that, or is it a fanticey)

is that im a muggle "security" gaurd at hogwarts(or something along thows lines...)

hey im only 20 you know

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-09-04 12:03pm

Plus there's the whomping Willow, Hagrid and Fang, all the ghosts, the living portraits and the caretaker and his cat. I think it's a safe bet that they wont go undetected for long.

On the plus side the libruary isn't as dangerous as other magical ones (such as unseen University's), but god help them if they go in the forest!

I'm not so sure. Hogwarts ahas a lot of corridors, and few active people at night. Even the ghosts seem to be mostly inactive. And while Padfoot (sirius) was able to get inside with the help of a secret passage, nobody noticed a big black dog or a freaked-out man wandering around inside it, until he showed his face.

Getting inside the house dorms would be harder. However, It seems the windows might be a weak point. But if not, they simply blow the wall out.

The forest is overrated. Most of the things in there are not really hostile, and a lot of the other things would be torn apart by trained men with guns.

I am assuming they have access to get into Hogwarts and know what the "enemy" capabilities are, BTW.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-09-04 06:42pm

2000AD wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote: The largest problem for the attackers would be the moving stairs, and the surprise of Fluffy.
Plus there's the whomping Willow, Hagrid and Fang, all the ghosts, the living portraits and the caretaker and his cat. I think it's a safe bet that they wont go undetected for long.

On the plus side the libruary isn't as dangerous as other magical ones (such as unseen University's), but god help them if they go in the forest!

Delta Force is Awesome, if you have ever witnessed them work. If they could find the place, they would be in and out before anyone knew what was going on.

These guys are good. When exercising in Korea, 2 people from Delta where considered OPFOR. They where able to silient kill (Sneaking up on some one and say "your dead" and touching them), trained secruity force dog handles (and there dog) on a wide open flight line (runway). When our com unit was against them, they were in and out before we even knew they had been there. There were manned bunkers in every corner, surrounded by chain link. So I think a unit would be able to get in, and get out without much trouble.

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