Avengers: Age of Ultron Leak

[Ziggy Stardust]

Man, I really like the use of that Pinnochio song. Really adds a nice level of creepiness to the whole thing, and hints at Ultron having a neat motivation beyond just being generic evil supervillain #3.

[Elheru Aran]

A new, slightly extended trailer has come out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-q5IUjvb14

Main points of note:

--Iron Man flying over some sort of snowy fort, attacking soldiers with repulsor blasts. May be the same place as the monastery we see later? Likely related to scene of soldiers shooting in the snow.

--Captain America in some sort of car chase.

--At the party, two of the Stark drones fly through the wall behind the ruined Ultron-bot. Presumably the Avengers beat them down for the bit where the Ultron-bot crushes one of their heads.

--Black Widow looks at a picture of Loki's scepter on a tablet.

My guess is that at some point in the film (opening action sequence?) the gang attacks the HYDRA hide-out where Baron von Strucker is holding Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Loki's scepter. The Ultron bit comes later; maybe Stark tested some prototype drones at the hide-out fight, and one of them gets messed up and goes wrong. Classic 'hit the robot on the head and it turns evil' bit, although I'm sure it won't be quite that cheesy.

[Mr Bean]

Something I noticed on the rewatch. Right before Hulkbuster armor you can see Hulk looking down the street, two armed police/soldiers look down that same street at something behind a barricade of cars. When Hulkbuster shows up he spins around to see it landing.

I'm more convinced Hulk's NOT going crazy in this scene, that Banner is in control and Hulkbuster is controlled by Ultron.

[Havok]

Definitely Claudia Kim.

[Ted C]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

[Batman]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

That scenario seems oddly familiar

[Grumman]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

That wouldn't make as much sense as it does for Batman.

A specialised counter for Mister Uncontrollable Anger Issues? Sure.
A specialised counter for the literal God of Thunder? Okay, he's the prince of a foreign nation who you've come to blows with before.
Captain America? He's Captain America! That's like coming up with a plan to beat up Santa Claus.
Hawkeye and Black Widow? Duct-tape a taser to your gauntlet.

[Elheru Aran]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

That wouldn't make as much sense as it does for Batman.

A specialised counter for Mister Uncontrollable Anger Issues? Sure.
A specialised counter for the literal God of Thunder? Okay, he's the prince of a foreign nation who you've come to blows with before.
Captain America? He's Captain America! That's like coming up with a plan to beat up Santa Claus.
Hawkeye and Black Widow? Duct-tape a taser to your gauntlet.

I don't know.

Let's look at the situation at the end of Iron Man 3 and CA2. Stark decided to start over, and SHIELD has just been busted up. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Stark might be wondering, "hey, what if HYDRA got to some of these guys I'm working with"? I guarantee you Fury thought of that. HYDRA-SHIELD was willing to blackball Captain America, so yeah, it's quite possible they might have asked Stark before the balloon went up for thoughts on how to counter him.

It's not necessarily something Stark would do on his own... but it's something he might do if someone asked him to.

Alternative notion? He just mouthed off one too many times at Thor and that's why he's getting choke-slammed.

[Broomstick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-q5IUjvb14

SQUEEE!

I know Marvel's run of superhero movies can't last forever but I am really enjoying this ride.

[Darksider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-q5IUjvb14

SQUEEE!

I know Marvel's run of superhero movies can't last forever but I am really enjoying this ride.

I'm planning to follow through to Infinity War, since they seem to have planned that far ahead. Anything after that will probably just be half-assed cash-ins on the level of the fourth Transformers film.

[Ted C]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

That scenario seems oddly familiar

Yeah, but still plausible.

[Gaidin]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

Why Tony? Why not HYDRA-SHIELD's old databases and they came up with the plans themselves? Remember, they're the ones that followed all the supers around. They're the ones that threw all the information onto the public. Ultron: "Oh this is how you would do it as a squad of puny humans? I'll borrow that and modify it as a strangely powerful robot. My thanks." Strangely consequential of stuff that came before.

[Havok]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

That wouldn't make as much sense as it does for Batman.

A specialised counter for Mister Uncontrollable Anger Issues? Sure.
A specialised counter for the literal God of Thunder? Okay, he's the prince of a foreign nation who you've come to blows with before.
Captain America? He's Captain America! That's like coming up with a plan to beat up Santa Claus.
Hawkeye and Black Widow? Duct-tape a taser to your gauntlet.

They basically said this in dialogue in the first Avengers. They were like "Captain America is a threat? On a watch list?!" and the Widow says "We all are."

[Havok]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-q5IUjvb14

SQUEEE!

I know Marvel's run of superhero movies can't last forever but I am really enjoying this ride.

Never agreed with you about something more.

[Havok]

Random Speculation: Thor is pissed at Tony because Tony provided Ultron with specialized plans for defeating each of the Avengers, should they ever go "rogue". Ultron has, of course, used those plans against them, putting them in a pickle.

Why Tony? Why not HYDRA-SHIELD's old databases and they came up with the plans themselves? Remember, they're the ones that followed all the supers around. They're the ones that threw all the information onto the public. Ultron: "Oh this is how you would do it as a squad of puny humans? I'll borrow that and modify it as a strangely powerful robot. My thanks." Strangely consequential of stuff that came before.

Well for one, and in universe, Tony is the self proclaimed "futurist". He is thinking ahead but not just in one direction, but multiple. Having to deal with his own friends is certainly something he would consider. Second, and out of universe, they do need to set up Civil War in the next Cap movie which is hitting before the Infinity Gauntlet/War in the 3rd & 4th Avengers movie.

Tony also doesn't see a problem with being open about his identity (something in the comics he originally kept secret for ages. Even from people like Reed Richards) in his MCU incarnation. Cap doesn't have a choice, but people like Hawkeye and Widow understand the value of secrecy, yet they are already "registered". The big problem is that there is no one in the MCU that really has a secret identity. (Even over at Fox, the X-Men are pretty public and at the very least known to the government. Only Spider-Man is concerned with and actively keeping his secret.)

It's interesting because Marvel went the other way, opposite of DC, with secret identities from it's inception by having the Fantastic Four be a famous and open group that everyone knew about. Even now, there is what... Daredevil and Spider-Man that really protect their identities in Marvel out of the major players.

This was one of the problems I had overall with Civil War, along with who was leading each side, because it was antithesis to what Marvel originally was.

[Gaidin]

Is that Tony's style in MCU? Really? Don't go pulling the comics into this. In the MCU Tony was suspecting SHIELD right away for their energy source research in Avengers because they didn't hire him and oh look! They've been researching weapons. Something he turned away from during his very first movie. After he hacked their systems. Truth of the matter is, Tony is a little to blase about these situations to try to set this Batman thing up as far as what we've seen. Even after Iron Man 3. And there's nothing past Iron Man 3 yet for him, for sheer detail. The whole House Party thing was PTSD for him. Now SHIELD/HYDRA? They're one big Batman agency by character. Even after their downfall. That much is downright obvious from the tv show alone. Don't go trying to invent a monster in the closet when there's already one in there in the given universe.

[Vendetta]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be a Civil War without ignoring established character traits to shoehorn the heroes into fighting each other

[Gaidin]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be a Civil War without ignoring established character traits to shoehorn the heroes into fighting each other

So Avengers 2 can establish that. MCU is its thing. Trying to appeal to 80 years of comics when they've been doing their own thing just to avoid 80 years of comic BS history so as not to confuse people that don't read the damn comics means you can't just appeal to the comics in a forum debate like it means something. Because it flat out doesn't mean jack shit.

[Civil War Man]

Tony also doesn't see a problem with being open about his identity (something in the comics he originally kept secret for ages. Even from people like Reed Richards) in his MCU incarnation. Cap doesn't have a choice, but people like Hawkeye and Widow understand the value of secrecy, yet they are already "registered". The big problem is that there is no one in the MCU that really has a secret identity.

Banner is closest, in that his identity is, as far as we can tell, only known by the Avengers, the Rosses, Blonsky and Stern, and anyone in SHIELD, the military, or the government with a high enough security clearance. Hell, even after he busted up Harlem, it seems that relatively few people were even aware that the Hulk existed, much less knew his identity. That janitor sees a giant angry green guy fall from the sky and crash through the roof, and not only is his first thought "alien", but even when he finds out Banner's not an alien, the word "Hulk" never crosses his mind. Up until the battle in New York during the Avengers, the Hulk was apparently a Bigfoot-esque myth, with only rumors, blurry photos, shaky videos, and the occasional eyewitness claiming he was real. The news montage in the Avengers after the battle show that the Hulk is now publicly known, but his identity as Bruce Banner is probably still a closely guarded secret in order to prevent causing an incident.

[SCRawl]

Tony also doesn't see a problem with being open about his identity (something in the comics he originally kept secret for ages. Even from people like Reed Richards) in his MCU incarnation. Cap doesn't have a choice, but people like Hawkeye and Widow understand the value of secrecy, yet they are already "registered". The big problem is that there is no one in the MCU that really has a secret identity.

Banner is closest, in that his identity is, as far as we can tell, only known by the Avengers, the Rosses, Blonsky and Stern, and anyone in SHIELD, the military, or the government with a high enough security clearance. Hell, even after he busted up Harlem, it seems that relatively few people were even aware that the Hulk existed, much less knew his identity. That janitor sees a giant angry green guy fall from the sky and crash through the roof, and not only is his first thought "alien", but even when he finds out Banner's not an alien, the word "Hulk" never crosses his mind. Up until the battle in New York during the Avengers, the Hulk was apparently a Bigfoot-esque myth, with only rumors, blurry photos, shaky videos, and the occasional eyewitness claiming he was real. The news montage in the Avengers after the battle show that the Hulk is now publicly known, but his identity as Bruce Banner is probably still a closely guarded secret in order to prevent causing an incident.

Wouldn't Hulk's identity have been in the big info-dump at the end of Captain America 2?

[Vendetta]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be a Civil War without ignoring established character traits to shoehorn the heroes into fighting each other

So Avengers 2 can establish that. MCU is its thing. Trying to appeal to 80 years of comics when they've been doing their own thing just to avoid 80 years of comic BS history so as not to confuse people that don't read the damn comics means you can't just appeal to the comics in a forum debate like it means something. Because it flat out doesn't mean jack shit.

The point is that it doesn't matter how the characters have to date been established, if they want Tony to make Ultron and join up pro-reg to "make up for his mistake" then that's what they're gonna do, no matter how much it might not fit his MCU character to date.

I mean this is even more likely now Marvel are doing this themselves because this kind of thing is what Marvel are all about. (PS: Tony is evil in comics again now due to the whole Axis business, albeit this time it's evil nazi mind control doing it)

[Simon_Jester]

Well, so far they've done a pretty good job of not derailing any of the characters, so there's at least some reason to hope they won't do so in the future.

Marvel Cinematic Iron Man has about four movies' worth of continuous character development, and so far his actions have all been basically self-consistent within that character development.

[Gaidin]

The point is that it doesn't matter how the characters have to date been established, if they want Tony to make Ultron and join up pro-reg to "make up for his mistake" then that's what they're gonna do, no matter how much it might not fit his MCU character to date.

I mean this is even more likely now Marvel are doing this themselves because this kind of thing is what Marvel are all about. (PS: Tony is evil in comics again now due to the whole Axis business, albeit this time it's evil nazi mind control doing it)

No. Making Ultron and then making up for his mistake is a totally different ballgame. This 'I'm Batman and I have a plan for everything' idea that came from somewhere that's more like SHIELD that dumped it's database that's a perfectly good source for that information anyway ALREADY EXISTS IN MCU as a monster in the closet and we somehow want to invent Tony as that source plans for every contingency is what's inane. Nothing in the MCU points to Tony as a plan for every contingency kind of guy where it's something that SHIELD would actually do. Nothing. Absolutely nothing points at Tony for that. The guy still gets drunk, has frat parties, and even pissed in his Iron Man Suit once. Really? Maybe Avengers 2 invents that side of him. But by that time comes and goes, Ultron is already come and gone and is not exactly taking advantage of his plans until Avengers 4 at least, and the theory in this thread isn't really relevant until what...2024? Maybe? Uhh...ok. Right.

[Tsyroc]

Since Fury has a cameo, I'm more inclined for SHIELD to have been behind any Avengers contingency plans. Fury has trust issues so it makes sense from that standpoint. Plus, I can also see the Hydra element of SHIELD coming up with plans of their own in the lead up to Project Insight. The World Security Council and any number of other organizations were probably scrambling to have ways to deal with the Avengers. It might have been after what took place in The Avengers or it might have been after Captain America 2, especially if Project Insight was also intended to deal with the Avengers if they became a problem.

I'm not saying that the plans couldn't have come from Tony. I just think there are plenty of other places they could come from, and if Civil War is supposed to have much emotional impact I think driving a pretty big wedge between Cap and Tony in the second Avengers movie weakens that impact.

I'm really curious as to what they have planned with Civil War because movie universe is so much different than the comic one. It might flow well from the "don't trust the big military/police/spy agency" of Cap 2 into now the regular government wants some checks and balances on "super heroes" since that big agency isn't around (can't be trusted) to do it anymore. It makes me think that Cap's storyline through the movies is going to be a downer. I just hope that if he decides to not be Captain America anymore that he'll lean more towards The Captain and less towards Nomad in designing his "The US government sucks" super hero outfit.

[Crazedwraith]

Has there been on any word on how much Civil War will borrow from the comic book of the same name? Because I'm hoping it will be more like Age Of Ultron itself. They borrowed the title and little else.

Civil War could mean so many things. I mean SHIELD Vs Hydra could easily be described as a 'civil war'. Which is going on in Agents Of SHIELD. I wonder if any of them will cameo in any proper MCU Movies...