Twilight eclipse

[Phantasee]

I thought the reference to throwing rice to make the vampire count was a reference to The Count of Sesame Street fame.

[Rogue 9]

I thought the reference to throwing rice to make the vampire count was a reference to The Count of Sesame Street fame.

No, it's the other way around. Not sure why you're bringing that up all of a sudden, though; nobody referenced it that I can tell.

[Temujin]

I thought the reference to throwing rice to make the vampire count was a reference to The Count of Sesame Street fame.

Stuff like that's also used in some cultures to keep devils, demons, and evil spirits away by keeping them busy.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I will admit, the huge fight scene that the trailers loved to show was actually very fun to watch. Of course, all of the brutality is lost when you realize that while vampires burn perfectly normally, they shatter like ice when struck with force. The running punch Jasper opens the fight with loses a lot of coolness when you see what looks like snow and ice flying in the air behind the severed head. And then you get just plain hilarious moments like Riley trying to hit a werewolf with the stump of his arm.

Minor correction, but they were going for marble, not ice.

[Temujin]

I will admit, the huge fight scene that the trailers loved to show was actually very fun to watch. Of course, all of the brutality is lost when you realize that while vampires burn perfectly normally, they shatter like ice when struck with force. The running punch Jasper opens the fight with loses a lot of coolness when you see what looks like snow and ice flying in the air behind the severed head. And then you get just plain hilarious moments like Riley trying to hit a werewolf with the stump of his arm.

Minor correction, but they were going for marble, not ice.

Wait a minute! They burn and shatter? I thought these wankpires were supposed to be neigh invulnerable? Or due the Meyer Pedowolves get a saving throw when battling wankpires.

[The Yosemite Bear]

well in the darkages the were-wolves would eat all kinds of people except for young girls, whom the would rape, or trick into canibalism and than rape....

--edit--
and the vamps were just hideous wreackage except for the Bavarian/Swiss ones who were murdered children, preying on adults... (hmm probably be a nice thing to sick on a pedo....)

[General Zod]

I will admit, the huge fight scene that the trailers loved to show was actually very fun to watch. Of course, all of the brutality is lost when you realize that while vampires burn perfectly normally, they shatter like ice when struck with force. The running punch Jasper opens the fight with loses a lot of coolness when you see what looks like snow and ice flying in the air behind the severed head. And then you get just plain hilarious moments like Riley trying to hit a werewolf with the stump of his arm.

Minor correction, but they were going for marble, not ice.

Wait a minute! They burn and shatter? I thought these wankpires were supposed to be neigh invulnerable? Or due the Meyer Pedowolves get a saving throw when battling wankpires.

Nobody's saying they're invincible. They're saying they don't have any real downsides to being a vampire. Unless they're somehow more flammable than people that's not really a downside.

[Rogue 9]

Yeah, actually that's what pisses me off the most about the whole thing; the many weaknesses of the otherwise mighty vampire is how the mythos works. Ms. Meyer hasn't created a vampire story; she's created a story about random superheroes who sparkle in the sunlight and just happen to thirst for blood. And be pedophiles.

[The Yosemite Bear]

one cranky to be woken up Dragon, vs. a clan of Twilight vampires please?

[Temujin]

Nobody's saying they're invincible. They're saying they don't have any real downsides to being a vampire. Unless they're somehow more flammable than people that's not really a downside.

Based on their description, I got the impression that a simple werewolf be outmatched by one, unlike Underworld where Lycans seemed generally stronger than most vamps. Are the Pedowolves wanked regarding their powers as well, or is it something like because they're supernatural, they can thus naturally do more damage to vamps. I remember seeing that rationale somewhere before in a movie or show.

[General Zod]

Nobody's saying they're invincible. They're saying they don't have any real downsides to being a vampire. Unless they're somehow more flammable than people that's not really a downside.

Based on their description, I got the impression that a simple werewolf be outmatched by one, unlike Underworld where Lycans seemed generally stronger than most vamps. Are the Pedowolves wanked regarding their powers as well, or is it something like because they're supernatural, they can thus naturally do more damage to vamps. I remember seeing that rationale somewhere before in a movie or show.

No idea. I've largely ignored the franchise after finding out that Meyer disregards the biggest part of the whole vampire mythos in favor of her self-insert fanfiction.

[Imperial Overlord]

Yeah, actually that's what pisses me off the most about the whole thing; the many weaknesses of the otherwise mighty vampire is how the mythos works. Ms. Meyer hasn't created a vampire story; she's created a story about random superheroes who sparkle in the sunlight and just happen to thirst for blood. And be pedophiles.

You forgot "have a perverse desire to subject themselves repeatedly to high school".

[Akhlut]

I thought the reference to throwing rice to make the vampire count was a reference to The Count of Sesame Street fame.

No, it's the other way around. Not sure why you're bringing that up all of a sudden, though; nobody referenced it that I can tell.

I didn't reference Count Von Count, but I did mention the throwing rice bidness.

[The Yosemite Bear]

like any fan of legends I note that the modern versions are quite a bit different from folklore.

[chitoryu12]

Nobody's saying they're invincible. They're saying they don't have any real downsides to being a vampire. Unless they're somehow more flammable than people that's not really a downside.

Possibly. After Victoria gets decapitated Edward tosses a lighter on her. As soon as it touches her she goes up in a roaring bonfire in less than a second. Either they wanted to portray vampires as extra-flammable or they've never seen fire before.

One other thing I forgot to mention: Kristen Stewart got rid of most of her stuttering and facial tics that make her look about to vomit, but replaced it with huge pauses and weird line delivery. As the Rifftrax for New Moon said, she delivers every line like she's choking on drywall. They managed to cut a bunch of scenes from the book and all the dramatic pauses meant that it STILL took them 2 hours.

[Temujin]

Possibly. After Victoria gets decapitated Edward tosses a lighter on her. As soon as it touches her she goes up in a roaring bonfire in less than a second. Either they wanted to portray vampires as extra-flammable or they've never seen fire before.

What the fuck are their innards made out of, paper mache and napalm!

The more I hear about them the more I'm thoroughly convinced these are the most retarded vampires ever depicted.

As the Rifftrax for New Moon said, she delivers every line like she's choking on drywall. They managed to cut a bunch of scenes from the book and all the dramatic pauses meant that it STILL took them 2 hours.

Rifftrax is the only way I could stomach watching this crap.

[Zixinus]

You forgot "have a perverse desire to subject themselves repeatedly to high school".

That's what I don't get with Americans: what the fuck is it with high school? The closest thing to it in the Hungarian education system, and my years with it, are boring and unremarkable.

What the hell is it with Americans and putting every popular figure to high school? Spider-Man started in college (IIRC) but the rebooted series stars him as a high-school student. One of the animated X-Men series I noticed also had high school students.

Hell, come to think of it, the same is there with Japanese shows. Bleach is set with a guy that looks much older than he is, but several of the central characters are still in high school just because.

Is it some misguided and idiotic attempt to try and help kids identify with the main characters?
If it is, its shit.

There is a whole, more interesting world out there than high school. There are areas in the world where almost no one can reach the equivalent of high school. There are places where only a few years of tutoring is considered enough and instead, they are taught the skills they need to live by their parents and community. There are schools where religion and even martial arts dominate the student's time. There are schools where there is still heavy oppression from government and where teachers are told to tell propaganda and even the students watch what they say.

And really, an adult is easier to characterize because there is more to characterize. Teenagers still have a way to go until they became as full individuals as adults. Meanwhile, adults have more established ways of doing the things they do. Adults make a living and it also makes more emphasis on the heroic deeds they do. A teenager doing something in his free time can easily be seen as a hobby. A working man, who has to do his own housework and stuff, it is much more of a sacrifice.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Something I just thought of

Are were-wolves allergic to choclate?
if so, how badly does it suck to be a male Were surrounded by female weres?

[chitoryu12]

Possibly. After Victoria gets decapitated Edward tosses a lighter on her. As soon as it touches her she goes up in a roaring bonfire in less than a second. Either they wanted to portray vampires as extra-flammable or they've never seen fire before.

What the fuck are their innards made out of, paper mache and napalm!

The more I hear about them the more I'm thoroughly convinced these are the most retarded vampires ever depicted.

As the Rifftrax for New Moon said, she delivers every line like she's choking on drywall. They managed to cut a bunch of scenes from the book and all the dramatic pauses meant that it STILL took them 2 hours.

Rifftrax is the only way I could stomach watching this crap.

Rifftrax inspired me to riff on the movie for all 2 hours. Kelly was dying.

Shirtless Jacob: There's a storm coming.
Me: I can feel it in my nipples.

And thus, it becomes bearable.

[Marcus Aurelius]

You forgot "have a perverse desire to subject themselves repeatedly to high school".

That's what I don't get with Americans: what the fuck is it with high school? The closest thing to it in the Hungarian education system, and my years with it, are boring and unremarkable.

What the hell is it with Americans and putting every popular figure to high school? Spider-Man started in college (IIRC) but the rebooted series stars him as a high-school student. One of the animated X-Men series I noticed also had high school students.

Hell, come to think of it, the same is there with Japanese shows. Bleach is set with a guy that looks much older than he is, but several of the central characters are still in high school just because.

Is it some misguided and idiotic attempt to try and help kids identify with the main characters?
If it is, its shit.

Of course it is shit, but it works. Hollywood still makes movies primarily for the American audience and high school seems to have a special place in the hearts of American youth: it is either remembered fondly or hated. Not to mention the fact that a significant percentage of American moviegoers are actually in high school. Of course the teen years do have certain universal interests, like the fact that most people have their first dating experiences as teenagers and also the psychological development is fast and potentially drastic between ages 12 and 20.

[RedImperator]

And really, an adult is easier to characterize because there is more to characterize. Teenagers still have a way to go until they became as full individuals as adults.

lolwut? What does that even mean?

PS: Teenagers are harder to characterize because most authors aren't teenagers and don't remember what it was like, not because there's "more" to adults. Wait, I forgot--grappling with hormones and unfamiliar emotions, the struggle for independence from adult-imposed boundaries balanced against nostalgia for childhood security and freedom from responsibility, first love, first sex (and dealing with all the psychological and cultural bullshit surrounding it), first confrontations with mortality, teenage energy and idealism, teenage arrogance, teenage shortsightedness, taking the first steps towards understanding the world, growing up. Nothing there that could make an interesting character, no sir.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Based on their description, I got the impression that a simple werewolf be outmatched by one, unlike Underworld where Lycans seemed generally stronger than most vamps. Are the Pedowolves wanked regarding their powers as well, or is it something like because they're supernatural, they can thus naturally do more damage to vamps. I remember seeing that rationale somewhere before in a movie or show.

Depends. First it needs to be stated that the Quileute Wolves differ from true Werewolves, according to the Volturi. First is that Werewolves are much stronger than the Quileute's and Vampires. The downside to this is the Werewolves are totally mad when shapechanged and completely solitary. Another difference is Werewolves can change only in moonlight.

The Quileute's as I've said are much weaker and far more vulnerable to Vampires, though their bite is still lethal. What they do have though is they can shapechange any time they want, they cooperate and to facilitate it they have telepathy, they're also faster and more agile than Vampires.

The difference between the two saves the lives of the Olympic Coven in the fourth book since the Volturi declared any pacts with Werewolves to be a punishable offense. Aro and Marcus, part of the Volturi triumvirate, were convinced by Caius that Werewolves were a danger to Vampires everywhere and thus caused the near-extinction of them in Europe and Asia. Caius having been almost killed by one two millennia ago.

As for the Vampires being simply better wait until the next movie. Newborn Vampires are supposedly uncontrollably bloodthirsty, but amazingly Bella has super-vampire self-control.

[Ryushikaze]

You forgot "have a perverse desire to subject themselves repeatedly to high school".

That's what I don't get with Americans: what the fuck is it with high school? The closest thing to it in the Hungarian education system, and my years with it, are boring and unremarkable.

What the hell is it with Americans and putting every popular figure to high school? Spider-Man started in college (IIRC) but the rebooted series stars him as a high-school student. One of the animated X-Men series I noticed also had high school students.

Both of those series started with High school age characters, actually. Spidey was IIRC a Junior or Senior, and the eldest of the first X-men was 18.

As for why the focus on highschool? It's an excellent starting and transition point- people no longer children, not yet adults, dealing with the transition from idle life to a the responsible one you describe.
In fact, both Spidey and the X-men became better for that transition- despite the protests of Quesada- not just BEING adults, but having people BECOMING adults.

[Zixinus]

Becoming adults, I stand corrected, does give excellent characterization points. However, I am sick of every comic and cartoon and whatever featuring high school. You can do characterization with adults.

[General Zod]

Becoming adults, I stand corrected, does give excellent characterization points. However, I am sick of every comic and cartoon and whatever featuring high school. You can do characterization with adults.

Perhaps this is because comics and cartoons are generally aimed at teens?