Captain America: Civil War thread

[Elheru Aran]

Along with the design of the suit (the black bars on the arms and legs notwithstanding, it's more or less a call-back both to the original, very first Spider-Man design by Steve Ditko, which had smaller eyes, and John Romita's design for some of the suit details.

[Crown]

I must be dead inside because I'm really not getting hyped for this movie. I'll still see it in the cinema (probably) I guess.

[FaxModem1]

Here's an in-universe news report about the topic of Superhero registration:

[Tsyroc]

Nice, they brought Leslie Bibb back (from a couple of the Iron Man movies).

If she's pro-registration then she must not hold a grudge about Pepper kicking her to the curb "the morning after".

[Iroscato]

Nice, they brought Leslie Bibb back (from a couple of the Iron Man movies).

If she's pro-registration then she must not hold a grudge about Pepper kicking her to the curb "the morning after".

Well it was eight years ago

*Fuck me, Iron Man came out eight years ago next month...*

[Elheru Aran]

Nice, they brought Leslie Bibb back (from a couple of the Iron Man movies).

If she's pro-registration then she must not hold a grudge about Pepper kicking her to the curb "the morning after".

Well it was eight years ago

*Fuck me, Iron Man came out eight years ago next month...*

It did, didn't it. Kind of awesome how they've managed to keep things so consistent over the past few years with building up the MCU.

I wonder what the actual timeline in-universe is, though?

[Gandalf]

I saw it last night. It was pretty awesome.

[Cykeisme]

Here's an in-universe news report about the topic of Superhero registration:

I know very little about video editing and how they give movies that professional look, but the few seconds of "news footage" of several Avengers running around was a very nice touch. It looked like how something caught by a news camera looks, rather than how a film looks, and those few seconds added a certain degree of verisimilitude to the whole MCU universe for me.

[Adam Reynolds]

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure that Iron Man is pro-registration, so perhaps she is still somewhat friendly towards him.

Nice, they brought Leslie Bibb back (from a couple of the Iron Man movies).

If she's pro-registration then she must not hold a grudge about Pepper kicking her to the curb "the morning after".

See above for the spoiler note.

I know very little about video editing and how they give movies that professional look, but the few seconds of "news footage" of several Avengers running around was a very nice touch. It looked like how something caught by a news camera looks, rather than how a film looks, and those few seconds added a certain degree of verisimilitude to the whole MCU universe for me.

The MCU has always been fairly good about worldbuilding with things like this.[/size]

[GuppyShark]

No spoilers: Saw this last night. A bit uneven but probably my favorite since Iron Man 1. Looking forward to the Bluray release so I can see the movie and hear all the dialogue without the cinema laughing over it.

[NeoGoomba]

Dammit I am far too excited for this movie. I find I have to keep talking myself down from the hype ledge I'm perched on.

[Kojiro]

I saw it last night. It was pretty awesome.

I don't buy every Marvel movie on Blu-ray, but I will be buying this one.

So much right I didn't notice much wrong. Best of all I could understand the motives of everyone. And I really enjoyed the self awareness it had, especially during the Spidey bits.

Also this film will provide a wealth of vs fodder. I really want to discuss it but that'll have to wait for more people to see it.

[Dartzap]

Just back from seeing it. I'd say it's a strong film, it echoes many of the themes from Bats/Supes, but is significantly less clunky due to the 8 years worth of proceeding world building. Plenty of subtle and not so subtle humour in there as well. I really enjoyed the Spidey scenes, and would say it gives me some hope for Homecoming,

Oh, and Black Panther is an interesting addition as well.

[Crazedwraith]

Okay, I've not blurted out anything big I think but there are probably spoilers here. You've been warned. Perhaps a passing mod could add it to the title?





I'm just back from it and it was a great. I really enjoyed it. Neither side was too over the top either in the evil department or the story think they're right department. We spent a lot of time with Tony even though it's ultimately Cap's story.

I do like to gripe though so few minor things that didn't detract from it that much but I did notice. 1) That's Aunt May? I spend the first half the scene thinking this was Peter at Uni and that was a room mate or something. 2) The film retcons the end of Avengers 2, Where they were all and very specifically about preventing civilian casualties to be civilian casualties abounds. (and people barely bring up that Tony Made Ultron) 3) When being told off for said recklessness no-one ever brings up the whole 'we did that while literally saving the planet' thing. In fact most of Cap's side justifications take place in low-key one on one scenes. (which are good) 4) Really minor but Avengers base only seems to have the core team on it. The end of AoU had crowds of staff and troops as part of the Initiative.

I did honestly think Registration-Tony was going to be a complaint but they justify him well enough with the 'i change' speech . Because when shocked with something film tony can and does change personality and approach rapidly. While maintaining his core personality of 'snarky, arrogant, but trying to do the right thing' characterisation. And of course he does come around to Cap's thinking before the final twist comes about.

To end of a high note; they handle all the characters big and small well. They introduce Black Panther and Spidey and give them appropriately badass credentials in their actions. Spidey I am particularly impressed with as I opposed the re-cast but they managed to make him really chatty in the fight scene and I approve. The final words with Cap especially, you get the impression he's really more on Cap's side ideologically but Tony got there first. The brains and science of him harkens to Stark but the honour for lack of a better term in Cap's. Sort of a parallel to the comic book arc only not sucking.

I do like that they end the film still disagreeing and especially the focus on Tony/Rhodey friendship and that Rhodey still feels that they were justified. Very good.

All around thumbs up from me.

[Vendetta]

Just back from seeing it. I'd say it's a strong film, it echoes many of the themes from Bats/Supes, but is significantly less clunky due to the 8 years worth of proceeding world building. Plenty of subtle and not so subtle humour in there as well. I really enjoyed the Spidey scenes, and would say it gives me some hope for Homecoming,

Oh, and Black Panther is an interesting addition as well.

The real difference between this movie and BvS is that this movie the conflict was driven by personalities and characters, not nebulous ideologies.

It did benefit from the worldbuilding of the MCU to date, but more importantly it benefited from being about characters who had reasons for doing things that were founded in their characters.

[LadyTevar]

Saw the movie tonight at a preview viewing. LOVED IT.

Spidey was great, although his talk was more high school geek-out than snark. Antman's little distraction was big, loved it totally. Black Panther totally sold me in every scene, very glad he stepped up. I knew who was in the car from the beginning but did not see where it was heading. Tony kept his word to the SecState about phone calls and had the whole theatre laughing. Knew what Redwing's name was soon as I saw 'him', great interpretation. Vision and Witch was awkwardly touching. I was anticipating some snark from Bucky over Agent 13, but the knowing grins from him and Wilson were perfect. Totally wish I was in her shoes at that moment. Clint was his usual snarky self, grumbling about disappointing his kids, kidding around with Natasha as they pulled their punches on each other.
Really hate what happened to Rhodey. At least he's improving, and got a good laugh from Stan Lee (and a new nickname to hold over Tony).

[LadyTevar]

The real difference between this movie and BvS is that this movie the conflict was driven by personalities and characters, not nebulous ideologies.

It did benefit from the worldbuilding of the MCU to date, but more importantly it benefited from being about characters who had reasons for doing things that were founded in their characters.

Fully agree with this. It really did help that we knew Steve and Tony and understood exactly where they stood on things, and why they made their choices. That's something that BvS couldn't give us in the timeframe given, and it broke the movie down into "popcorn flick" for me. But it wasn't just Tony and Steve -- it was Wilson and Rhodey having the first (on screen) disagreement, so they weren't just 'following their bros'. It was Vision agreeing that Wanda needed 'protected', even if it meant grounding her to her room. It was Black Panther wishing revenge, and finding out where vengeance leads. It was Natasha trying to be both Steve and Tony's conscience, seeing what was coming but unable to head it off.
Antman and Spidey were there, but let's be honest, they were both fan-service and comic relief for a very dark movie. They had their place, they did their jobs well, but they weren't really the story.

BvS had a sad ending, set the scene for a (possible) sequel, and a bit of hope.
Civil War ended with Pyrrhic victory and a split party, but set up at least 5 Checkov's Guns (not counting the Spidey Movie or even a Black Panther movie). Hell, Wakanda alone gives you possible new shield, new OpsBase, and if they follow the comics, super-tech untouched by Hydra.

[AniThyng]

Spider man's quip about that old movie and the response from Rhodes and stark were the comedy gold for me.

[biostem]

What kind of annoyed me: T'Chala is in favor of a U.N. accord to require superheroes to only operate where permitted, then goes on to operate under his own persona without permission, (though I suppose you could chalk that up to his father's desires).

[PREDATOR490]

Saw it on Monday then again Friday.

I thought the film was pretty good but both times I have left the film feeling that Captain America and his team are solidly in the wrong despite the obvious attempt at trying to make it a cloudy issue.

However, any sympathy I have for Captain Americas team goes straight out the window when during that fight - I noticed that Captain America's team was going for kill shots while Iron Man's team is trying to detain them. The fight itself was quite good but I feel it was seriously lacking on various fronts with the fluctuating power levels and some of the characters disappearing. Vision and Scarlet Witch vanished quite a bit during that fight even though they would be the heaviest hitters in the bunch with their powers.

[Crazedwraith]

I don't recall Cap's team going for Killshots. They were throwing around much more dangerous attacks but they were fighting two invincible power armours and a robot. And they all lived. The most damaging shot was friendly fire.

Clint was explicitly pulling his punches as well.

Still you have a point about Vision and Wanda.

[AniThyng]

What kind of annoyed me: T'Chala is in favor of a U.N. accord to require superheroes to only operate where permitted, then goes on to operate under his own persona without permission, (though I suppose you could chalk that up to his father's desires).

Wouldn't be the first time someone practices double standards or drops them when revenge is on the table.

[biostem]

What kind of annoyed me: T'Chala is in favor of a U.N. accord to require superheroes to only operate where permitted, then goes on to operate under his own persona without permission, (though I suppose you could chalk that up to his father's desires).

Wouldn't be the first time someone practices double standards or drops them when revenge is on the table.

That makes me wonder - was General Ross operating within his authority and with proper authorizations when he attacked banner/Hulk on that college campus in The Hulk?

[Mr Bean]

That makes me wonder - was General Ross operating within his authority and with proper authorizations when he attacked banner/Hulk on that college campus in The Hulk?

The Hulk was a known fugitive at that point, I think the good General was operating within the "it's okay if it's the stop the Hulk" rule 52 of military engagement rules.

Saw the movie, enjoyed it greatly, comedy moments were great and so damn natural. Watching two different people say "Wait who are you again?" and the look of dejection was hilarious.

[Marikina]

What kind of annoyed me: T'Chala is in favor of a U.N. accord to require superheroes to only operate where permitted, then goes on to operate under his own persona without permission, (though I suppose you could chalk that up to his father's desires).

The Accords only apply to the Avengers, and T'Challa's not an Avenger at the time.